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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New British Cycling trans policy

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PoshCoffee · 25/05/2023 19:03

The new British Cycling policy goes public at 11am tomorrow. Anyone dare to speculate on the outcome? Will it be a win for women?

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nilsmousehammer · 26/05/2023 12:15

The science is settled. Emily is male. However Emily feels about that, that fact is never going to go away. I have sympathy for Emily that this is not as Emily would wish.

Emily however is going to have to find ways to meet Emily's needs that do not trample over the rights of female humans or use them as nothing more than resources for Emily. Emily can compete in an open category. Emily could campaign for TW specific categories.

This is the right and only way for all of it to go. Prisons, cycling, all single sex spaces. TW are male and can neither mug the female half of the human race for what they feel they need, nor remove resources and make them untenable for females. They will need to accept that some things must remain female only because other people matter as much as they do.

TWATW. And that's great. But females are females and have needs of their own.

Maerchentante · 26/05/2023 12:15

EB's statement reads like an awful lot of foot stamping. Still able to compete, but in the category aligned with EB's sex.

puffyisgood · 26/05/2023 12:17

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GailBlancheViola · 26/05/2023 12:18

The statement from E Bridges is a rambling, drama filled, hyperbolic long winded way of saying I'm not allowed to cheat.

I too am disgusted about the way the term genocide is thrown about by TRAs, it is offensive they are minimising, dismissing and cheapening the true horror of genocide.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/05/2023 12:18

I do feel relieved!

the reporter did claim the science “isn’t settled”. Isn’t it?

The evidence points one way. Science is never "settled" in the sense that when some evidence comes in that shows trans women don't have an advantage then science will rethink. But the existing evidence says they do have an advantage and so the science is settled for practical purposes.

And for some people the science will never be "settled" until it settles the way they want it to. No amount of evidence will change that. Luckily those people don't always get to make the rules.

puffyisgood · 26/05/2023 12:18

I'm so sorry for including that emoji btw, butt dial.

Apollo441 · 26/05/2023 12:19

FigRollsAlly · 26/05/2023 12:02

Sky News reporting this fairly neutrally although the reporter did claim the science “isn’t settled”. Isn’t it?

In as far as no one did research as the evidence of our own eyes was sufficient. Just compare men's and women's records shows you the difference in black and white. The research that has been done on lowering testosterone (to still 10 times an average woman's level) shows that it no way mitigates the other advantages of having gone through male puberty. Trying to pass off Harper's deeply flawed studies as science will no longer work as only the ideologically captured will accept it. I'm not sure deeply flawed is an accurate description, laughable might be better.
They are pissing in the wind. It's over.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/05/2023 12:20

Boo hoo.

Emily doesn’t give a single solitary shit about the rights or feelings of women, it’s all ‘me, me, me’.

Yep. Typical [three letters, rhymes with 'can'].

Tinysoxx · 26/05/2023 12:21

I hope Emily gets some psychological help - that statement is not rational using sentences like ‘I don't know if I’ll be allowed to live that long’.

This is why is not kind to tell children or adults that they can change sex. They can’t. It’s the opposite of kind to facilitate biological delusions. At some point reality hits.

Signalbox · 26/05/2023 12:22

Emily has managed to look hysterical and utterly unhinged all by Emily's self.

It's completely fake and manipulative though isn't it? The new narrative of "we're being genocided" has really caught on. It's despicably irresponsible and will undoubtably be putting the fear of god into 1000s of "trans" youth already suffering with mental health issues who will read nonsense like this and believe it.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/05/2023 12:22

India Willoughby on twitter:

"Telling trans women they can still compete in the “Open” category, but actually, it’s the Mens event rebranded"

Oh the irony 😂

Who was it that rebranded the word 'woman' in the first place? Who was it that rebranded the penis as 'female'? Who was it that rebranded words to mean 'literal violence'.

Does somebody need a wah-mbulance 😭

Cry me a river. About bloody time.

SidewaysOtter · 26/05/2023 12:22

I think the point is that two wrongs don't make a right. This government has had serious issues. British Cycling may also have serious issues (I wouldn't know).

But government policy on refugees has absolutely nothing to do with cycling policies so there's absolutely no reason why Emily has included this in Emily's rant, it just makes Emily look like a toddler melting down because they've been told they can't have any more Haribo.

Apollo441 · 26/05/2023 12:24

British Rowing still holding out? Apparently they polled their members and didn't get the answer they wanted (so it has become 'advisory').

Signalbox · 26/05/2023 12:25

I hope Emily gets some psychological help - that statement is not rational using sentences like ‘I don't know if I’ll be allowed to live that long’.

I don't think that Emily needs psychological help.
Do you really think that Emily believes what Emily is saying?

Leafstamp · 26/05/2023 12:26

Tom Daley (yes I know his sport isn't cycling) can stick this in his pipe and smoke it.

TrashyPanda · 26/05/2023 12:26

Sanity is finally winning

Teateaandmoretea · 26/05/2023 12:26

It is still permitted internationally in cycling though isn't it? Most sports it was banned internationally before domestically. it also doesn't apply to grassroots so they are still well behind other sports from that pov.

But good news as a step forward, cycling looked like it was about to descend into utter lunacy.

SidewaysOtter · 26/05/2023 12:26

Tinysoxx · 26/05/2023 12:21

I hope Emily gets some psychological help - that statement is not rational using sentences like ‘I don't know if I’ll be allowed to live that long’.

This is why is not kind to tell children or adults that they can change sex. They can’t. It’s the opposite of kind to facilitate biological delusions. At some point reality hits.

This is the thing I have long since been unable to work out. Why - WHY - does any criticism translate as "We want you dead"?

You want to dress as a woman and call yourself Marjorie, crack on. But being told you still can't do certain things, regardless of your preferred identity, is not genocide or violence or eradication...so why the hell do they think it is?

Hepwo · 26/05/2023 12:28

Tinysoxx · 26/05/2023 12:21

I hope Emily gets some psychological help - that statement is not rational using sentences like ‘I don't know if I’ll be allowed to live that long’.

This is why is not kind to tell children or adults that they can change sex. They can’t. It’s the opposite of kind to facilitate biological delusions. At some point reality hits.

Overwrought nonsense is the standard operating model in the trans campaigns.

It's well past it's sell by date.

senua · 26/05/2023 12:29

I hope somebody has archived EB's tweet.

PronounssheRa · 26/05/2023 12:30

Signalbox · 26/05/2023 12:22

Emily has managed to look hysterical and utterly unhinged all by Emily's self.

It's completely fake and manipulative though isn't it? The new narrative of "we're being genocided" has really caught on. It's despicably irresponsible and will undoubtably be putting the fear of god into 1000s of "trans" youth already suffering with mental health issues who will read nonsense like this and believe it.

It's hugely manipulative and fucking offensive

Being told that you can compete in sport, but only in your correct sex category is a million miles from genocide.

I suppose if your used to always getting your own way, and until recently able to easily silence other views, having to live in the real world must be a shock to the system. But genocide it is not.

Leafstamp · 26/05/2023 12:30

*This is the thing I have long since been unable to work out. Why - WHY - does any criticism translate as "We want you dead"?

You want to dress as a woman and call yourself Marjorie, crack on. But being told you still can't do certain things, regardless of your preferred identity, is not genocide or violence or eradication...so why the hell do they think it is?

If they are confused enough to think that they can change sex or that changing 'gender' means they can be treated as the opposite sex then it's not too surprising that they are confused enough to think that people stating truths means people want them dead or to take away their human rights.

People with this level of paranoia are not well.

Americano75 · 26/05/2023 12:30

The likes of Bridges, Willoughby and all are losing their shit because they know the game is up, it's slipping away and they can't handle it. Cry harder lads.

Leafstamp · 26/05/2023 12:31

oops, bold fail in my post, I was quoting @SidewaysOtter

MavisMcMinty · 26/05/2023 12:32

Is Emily’s rant supposed to persuade us that Emily has been treated unfairly and literally genocide? “How to win friends and influence people” 101. If my eyes were to roll any further I’d have to learn to touch type.

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