New British Cycling trans policy

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The new British Cycling policy goes public at 11am tomorrow. Anyone dare to speculate on the outcome? Will it be a win for women?

That statement is something else.

A child who was never told no

And still tantruming and being supported by his mother in doing so

I hate to say it, but there really is often a 'problematic' mother in the background of many of these people.

Is this the same corrupt and vile organisation that EB was all too happy to accept elite training funding and training support from when EB was a possible gold medal contender for Paris? Thank goodness EB doesn’t have to accept their tainted money any more.

Yes, you’ve missed the element of Validation, which is actually what matters. A male who identifies as a woman competing in the women’s competition has his identity as a woman validated by doing so. It tells the world “yes, this person is officially a woman!” To have another category that they compete in is to officially acknowledge the reality that they’re not women. And they don’t want that. They hate that.

So the Validation matters more than any impact on women.

Many people have suggested this but it would be pointless because
a) men claiming to be women want to race in women's categories for validation, so they are not interested in a special category for them
and (most importantly to me) b) claiming a special identity has no bearing on athletic performance. Taking hormones does affect athletic performance but this is the choice of the individual athlete and not all males who want to compete as women take hormones anyway.

Nope.

The only thing that validates them is forcing everyone to call them 'women'.

Look up the 3 Hampstead pools. I'm about to serve lunch so can't write it out but you won't be surprised by what happened there.

To be fair, Sean Ingle is usually quite measured.

It’s a step in the right direction. The pushback is growing. Emily may struggle with this but what did Emily (and their supporters) expect - women would just stand back and see their sports wrecked.

Wow what? Violence? Genocide? When Emily can still compete against other males, and against women in Breeze? This has the feel of someone who deep down knows they're in the wrong.

This is leading the main news programme on Radio 4. The introduction to the segment mentioned Bridge's "genocide" comment.

Excellent sunlight.

Violence...genocide...how hyperbolic and offensive.

The statement is indeed unhinged, the funny thing is if things had gone their way they'd be full of praise for the organisation and would have overlooked the negatives they've highlighted because it suited them- hypocrite. I know it's not a race to the bottom but I'm curious as to where their trans utopia is seen as though many countries people who fall anywhere under the LGBT umbrella are persecuted and worse.

Biological men being banned from competing against women is brilliant and common sense, I really hope the tide is turning and sports organisations stop pandering to a minority. Trans people aren't excluded from sports, just from competing unfairly (I know transwomen can compete in the open cycling category but it isn't going to happen is it).

Have voted. A lot of happy people out there!

Poor Sean Ingle. Working at the Guardian must be like living in East Germany in the 1970s. Constantly watching your words. Never knowing who you can speak to without being sold out to the LOJ Stasi.

Why not follow buddhist country’s template in dealing with the third gender? Trans athletes should complete in a new category. This resolves the issue of trans rights creeping onto women’s rights and trans athletes being protected from religious/ right wing discrimination.

What I mean to say is that the option should be male/female/ Trans. Male
and female would refer to birth sex only.

Validation = Big Narcissistic Wankfest

Emily is what happens with parents don't discipline and say "no" to their children. So undignified to remain a massive toddler all their lives 🙄

Finally, some common sense!

Womens sports should be for biological women only. A win for science and logic, hurray!

Yeah, because transwomen are the athletes who are REALLY disadvantaged by not adhering to natal sex.

Talent development centres are coaching for 12 - 18 year olds. Officially under BC’s umbrella (so Dd couldn’t attend until she was officially old enough even though she was good enough long before) but mainly organised by individual clubs. It is the first step along the British Cycling development pathway for kids.

I have never heard of one that is not mixed sex but presumably they needed to cover it.

Interestingly RSR and NSR (regional and national school of racing) are not mentioned here. These are run as single sex coaching and are the next steps along the pathway and are significantly more selective. I guess they want them to solely contain girls who can compete for Team GB.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that girls can race in the Open category. This is useful for us as Dd has pretty much stopped racing in local / regional races as she wasn’t getting any competition. We would like her to race in local races for the sheer convenience of it (taking little brother anyway!) and she would have a far better race. Feels like a photo to share widely if she does. Hardly literal violence if Dd is happily choosing to!

What on earth is right wing discrimination?

Is "left wing" the correct position on everything?

Will transmen be allowed to compete in the women's category?

Emily's statement 😳

Presumably Emily was fine with all of the awful things she attributes to British Cycling while she was winning (by cheating) and had their full support. So principled!

Will any of Emily or her friends' medals/placings in the female category be reallocated to women?

I do wonder how many of these trans athletes genuinely want to transition or whether they just want to be the best at any cost. Is that a mad thought? It just seems like there are so many trans athletes/sportspeople winning/making record times.

Thanks mumoftwo

Trans men can as long as they have started doping with testosterone

Haven’t 🤦‍♀️