Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

Brefugee
I never said it doesn't happen in every force - it will, just not to the extent that you are suggesting. If you think I go around saying to my team mates & friends "show us your tits" and refer to them as "splits" or "wave my dick at them" - then its simply not true. I also don't hear anyone on my shift doing such things. So if you are going to directly accuse me or my team mates of doing this, you're going to need to evidence it.

There will be incidents in any organisation of racism, misogyny, misandry, anti-religion, ageism - you name it. It will exist, just like it does in all places.

Like on here - where I was recently referred to as a 'pig' or a 'splainer'

Was that justified? I have been respectively calling everyone by their user names. Yet, people on here accuse me of minimising people. I have not called anyone on here a derogatory name or told them to f* off. But it seems acceptable for people on here to do that to me.

And what happened to you in the army was horrible and simply should not have happened and you have my total respect & sympathy for having to endure it. But you can't just assume that similar things happen in every police force all the time, every day. I have not witnessed anything like that happen in 20+ years in the job.

I’m not anti police. In theory I’m perfectly placed to be well disposed towards them. White, middle class etc. I have friends who are police officers and I know they do their best in a hard situation. But recently I’ve seen and heard too many things, both directly and those we all know about. The friends I have that are police officers acknowledge the issues. That gives me hope. The people that don’t - that say it doesn’t exist at all for them - do the opposite.

If you improved one person’s confidence, that would be something. Saying it’s only ten that you have done the opposite for, well it’s unsurprising. There are other purported police officers on here whom we’ve had productive conversations with. Respectful ones, where we’ve learnt on both sides. So I do know what that looks like.

So I would suggest I have not altered their opinion as it was negative to start with.

Okay, so you don't even understand the concept of 'decreased my faith, because of what you said' 🤣

This will be what, your fourth attempt to tell women that you don't believe what they're telling you?

In Direct violation of the police guidelines, I might add.

Nice.

MissMissive
I didn't say you were part of the majority
And I have acknowledged the issues that go on

The only thing I have said in here is that we can't assume yet, until we know all the facts.

How is that specifically decreasing your faith in the police?

Datun
Where have I said that i don't believe you?
I personally believe that your faith level (and several other posters) has remained unchained - it doesn't mean that I don't believe you - i just have a differing opinion.

But it is a lot lower than the 12 million you originally suggested.

And which police guideline is this?

The only thing I have said in here is that we can't assume yet, until we know all the facts.

How is that specifically decreasing your faith in the police?

Oh Felix, you’ve said thousands of words on this thread as well as that. Although you have said that, many times. Over and over, as if, if you only repeat it enough times, these wayward women will accept it.

The specific way you’re decreasing my faith? I think I’m similar to the rest on here, but by refusing to acknowledge anything we say. Commenting over and over with the same words at the same time as refusing to find out more about the specific subject of the thread. Your absolute certainty that you haven’t witnessed misogyny in your force. That is the biggest one, to be honest.

It doesn’t matter though. You are unsurprising. Most of us have learned a lot from this forum. From other women, mostly. We arrived years, or months, or perhaps days ago. Listened, discussed, learned. Exchanged views and experiences. Sometimes supported each other through tragedies, joys, births and deaths. Perhaps you won’t grow. It doesn’t stop us from doing so though. It never does. We’re pesky that way.

What would you rather me say:
"Yes the police are totally wrong" - when I don't know why they were there
"Caroline is totally innocent" - when I have no idea about the allegation
"Its the same person again" - when I have no idea who contacted the police

Honestly? I'd rather you said nothing at all.

I think we should just keep an open mind at this stage.
Something I have been saying from page 1

Yes, we know. It must be about 200 times. I suggest if you have nothing new to contribute that you run along and find something else to do.

*Datun
Where have I said that i don't believe you?
I personally believe that your faith level (and several other posters) has remained unchained - it doesn't mean that I don't believe you - i just have a differing opinion.

But it is a lot lower than the 12 million you originally suggested.

And which police guideline is this?

Given you don't have access to the inside of women's minds, when they say you personally have decreased their trust in the police, it's actually not something that you can disagree with.

Disagreeing with them is telling them they are not telling the truth.

And which police guideline is this?

🤣🤣🤣

Oh I missed that little nugget, but that's because my eyes glaze over and my head thinks of minions.

Well said,OldCrone.

#Me Too Brefugee.

Now I've got Ronan Keating worming his way round my head, you absolute fiend

All together now ...🎶

Well...I had to!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hPLEYp-Mg

MissMissive
I acknowledge what people say - I just don't agree with the assumption that it must be all connected to the previous incidents - because we just don't know.

But people keep throwing the same argument back at me and ask questions about it:
Boiledbeetle · 19/05/2023 18:43 - "Don't suppose Felix has actually read up on the case this thread is about yet? - some 36 pages into the thread.

Surly you can see that we don't know yet if its all connected. We don't know who the reporting person is or what has been alleged. Or are you assuming that it must be all connected?

I'm not going to ignore questions people are asking - that is just rude. Datun has asked a question recently. I think it would be rude to just ignore them.

Other people don't have to post if they don't want to.

I learn - we all learn - the police learn. I have posted how this is implemented a few pages ago in an answer to RoseslnTheHospital about how 'lessons learned' are implemented. Do you think this is wrong and the police should not do this?

Someone brought up how the police deal with rape victims/survivors. I think the current practice of believing the victim/survivor without question and not putting any pressure on them as to what they want to do is the right way. Do you think this method is wrong?

What misogyny do you think I have witnessed in my force then...?
Most of us are single crewed all day and never see one another. We get turned out in the briefing or before that and never get back in until after the end of the shift, when most of the others have either gone or are still out. You handover what you need to the oncoming shift (whats left of them) and go home.

So what misogyny do you think goes on within my shift that I do or witness...?

OldCrone · Yesterday 21:55
I think we should just keep an open mind at this stage.
Something I have been saying from page 1
Yes, we know. It must be about 200 times. I suggest if you have nothing new to contribute that you run along and find something else to do.

Yes - but people are still arguing against it.

Datun
I can still have an opinion on it. Just as you are entitled to your opinion.

You also can't get into the mind of the other posters either.
By sharing a differing opinion doesn't mean that the other person is believed to be not telling the truth either. The argument is not binary.
But if people are directly accusing me of decreasing their faith in the police. Then for their argument to hold they need to evidence it.

For example if you think 12 million people on here have all had a negative experience of the police because of this thread. Then fine, you can have that opinion. But I would disagree with it and challenge your argument by saying can you demonstrate it?

My opinion about people on here has gone down. I have been called a 'pig' a 'splainer'. I have been told to 'f* off' several times. MNHQ has deleted a number of posts from users for breaching guidelines. And this is supposed to be a discussion forum 'by parents for parents'

So that's why my opinion on people in here has gone down - only one person has challenged the comments too, the rest have accepted them, not challenged them, witnessed them and did nothing - sound familiar?

So from your point of view - what specifically have I said in this thread that has negatively affected your opinion of the police?

Ronan Keating is the dark side

What misogyny do you think I have witnessed in my force then...?
Most of us are single crewed all day and never see one another. We get turned out in the briefing or before that and never get back in until after the end of the shift, when most of the others have either gone or are still out. You handover what you need to the oncoming shift (whats left of them) and go home.

So what misogyny do you think goes on within my shift that I do or witness...?

Haha, you win. I didn’t see that defence coming. It’s a little ‘I can’t sweat in Pizza Express Woking’ but ok.
🙈🙉🙊

Going back to the police misconduct hearings I was reading today, a lot of them were about police officers failing to properly recognise and investigate blatant misogyny in members of the public, aka male suspects in domestic violence/abuse cases, and male suspects in sexual offences, and being rightly disciplined for it.

Thought it was interesting. Sad though.

I agree. Comparing Felix to a pig insults the pig.

MissMissive
So is it acceptable to accuse me of something without any evidence of it...?

AutumnCrow
I agree - discipline or sack them.

CliantheLang
More name calling - my opinion of posters on here continues to decline.

No accusing. These are my feelings, not yours.

Oh, no, Felix! You misunderstood. I was saying it was wrong to compare you to a pig.

Pigs being highly intelligent creatures...

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I think so too! But I'm very biased!

FWS Currently have Cabaret against Hate constantly writing absolute rubbish about them, and most things, on a near constant basis, without the guy who runs the CAH Twitter actually checking to see what the organisation is actually about.

It seems to be a thing men do to women!

Can't think why I thought of that on this thread!

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@DrLouiseJMoody before this is full I'm sure I speak for the majority on here when I ask this: can you pass on to Caroline our good wishes and hopes that this dystopian nightmare of people using the police to harass her finally comes to a conclusion in the near future.