Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

It's a crime to impersonate a police officer.

Good grief is this thread still ongoing?

Majority of people seem to have a good perception of the police - 75% in fact
So 1 in 4 people don't rate the police but someone on this thread thinks that 75% is a good percentage to have? Wow. I repeat. 1 in 4 have no faith. It wouldn't surprise me if those 1 in 4 people are reading this thread tbh.

And that was two years ago, before the approval ratings plummeted. I'd be amazed if 75% of Londoners thought that the Met were any use.

I think it's usually sad inadequates who impersonate so called authority figures.

I think after the met shooting two dogs incident the ratings have plummeted. Theres a petition reached over a million now. I wonder if the same questions were asked now if it would be 50% or less

Yes, dear, you keep telling us you don't see it. Open your eyes. Look. Listen. Observe.

I know you don't like to read and inwardly digest. So again from my post

and worse and worse and more and more. All my ex-military friends have the same stories.

But if we go to a reunion, or write in fb groups and mention any of this? all the guys go "but i didn't see any of that" EVEN THE FUCKERS WHO WERE THE WORST OFFENDERS.

All the chaps say "we didn't see anything too". Implication from them (and you towards your "fellow" officers: it doesn't happen and we all imagined it.)

You really don't get it. What a tactic: while we're engaging with you we're not posting elsewhere. Or stickering. Or tying ribbons.

Datun
So when women say you have decreased their trust in the police, you can't hear that.
I can hear it - I just don't agree.
I think I have not changed anyone's trust level - how they started at the start of the thread is how they are now.

By saying that we can not judge how the police have dealt with Caroline, because we don't have all the facts - cannot be changing someone trust in the police.

What else have I done or said in here which specifically lowers someones trust? - By listening to victims and believing what they are telling me without challenging their account. Not putting any pressure on them. Offering support. How can I change this then to increases trust in what I am doing?

"....how the public perceive that they are treated by the police...." - the most recent survey puts it at 75% positive.

Ourladycheesusedatum
Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

I don't need or want to know the details - my point is that 'we' cannot judge how the police have acted because 'we' don't know the details of this current case.

Tallisker
And where have I been misogynistic on this thread?
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am misogynistic

knittingaddict
Are you suggesting that there are more women in jail then men?

DrLouiseJMoody
???????????

Pixiedust1234
So 1 in 4 people don't rate the police but someone on this thread thinks that 75% is a good percentage to have? Wow. I repeat. 1 in 4 have no faith. It wouldn't surprise me if those 1 in 4 people are reading this thread tbh.

3 in 4 do though. And perhaps the 1 in 4 are people reading this thread. Or this 1 in 4 are the ones who are on the 'wrong side of the law' and don't like police as we keep catching them and sending them to court and jail.

Ourladycheesusedatum
Perhaps - but I'm not in the Met in any case
We'll no doubt see the affect when the next survey is published

Brefugee
It was absolutely horrible the things you described which happened to you in the army. But I have not seen anything like that happen in the Police and among my team. So I can open my eyes, look, listen, observe - but it just isn't happening.

If you are certain it is happening and there are people on my shift doing it - then tell me who it is and what they are doing and when it happened and I will challenge & report it.

But I doubt you will be able to - so you cannot accuse me or my shift from doing it. You are using the post hoc argument that because it happened in the army then it must happen in the police in the same manner.

You're wrong felix. The 1 in 4 includes people like me - 100% law abiding and hasnever committed a crime in their almost 6 decades. That should bother the police and if it doesn't I can't help them. (Not that you are a member of any police force).

knittingaddict
Are you suggesting that there are more women in jail then men?

Don't be a fool. Others understood my post perfectly.

Anyway, back to ignoring a certain person's posts.

Thank you, Louise! That's something to bear in mind. I hope you are well.

I don't even read his posts.

I'm intrigued though. The police themselves say they are riddled with misogyny and sexism. Female police officers have talked about it (all from various forces). We have given examples of other uniformed professions having similar.

And yet and yet
a) Felix doesn't see or experience any of it (he is blind and deaf i think)
b) says we can't extrapolate to his force even though it is everywhere in the world and especially in uniformed professions.

To any other serious real police officers reading this: Felix is a really really good example of why we don't trust or believe you.

So 1 in 4 people don't rate the police but someone on this thread thinks that 75% is a good percentage to have? Wow. I repeat. 1 in 4 have no faith. It wouldn't surprise me if those 1 in 4 people are reading this thread tbh.

3 in 4 do though. And perhaps the 1 in 4 are people reading this thread. Or this 1 in 4 are the ones who are on the 'wrong side of the law' and don't like police as we keep catching them and sending them to court and jail.

You are so wrong. A quarter of the population having no faith in the police is a HUGE deal. I'm surprised you can't see that. I'm not surprised at anything else you say, but I am with that. Btw I'm the same as knittingaddict, a totally law-abiding, not even parking/speeding ticket, person.

Dont bother responding as I refuse to read walls of text but wanted to get it out there to others that a self proclaimed, enlightened copper didn't think a quarter of the population having no faith wasn't a big deal.

A different case involving disproportionate behaviour of the police occurred this week related to someone I know.

A disabled woman in her ‘80s who has recently moved into sheltered accommodation in the southeast of England was arrested by a number of officers at bedtime.

She was taken to the local police station and jailed for 10 hours where she wasn’t allowed to use the toilet without the door open.

Someone has made an allegation that when she was a schoolteacher in Scotland in the late 1960’s, she was physically (not sexually) abusive to a secondary school male pupil.

I am not condoning physical abuse or corporal punishment, but it was the norm at that time.

Woman has no recollection of either the student, or being physically abusive and was obviously distraught.

Allegations need to be investigated. Perhaps there is a case for an interview under caution. But did this case necessitate an elderly lady being arrested by a number of officers in her assisted living facility for what amounts to giving a secondary school pupil a clip round the earhole in school over 50 years ago?

Felix will come and in defend this and pick holes or deny it’s happening or there must be factors we don’t know about.

The public are seeing more and more cases like this and feeling increasingly uncomfortable and distrustful of the police.

knittingaddict
I never said it didn't include you. What i said was that is also included a wider part of the community who walk the wrong side of the blue line. Do you honestly think they are going to be supportive of the police?

So you will never get a 100% support from the population.

Brefugee
I'm not saying it doesn't exist and never have.
But you can't justifiably say that its happening in front of me and I simply ignore it when you have never been anywhere near me - unless you can give an example of when someone on my shift has done it and I've ignored it.
You are simply assuming that it must be happening in front of me and i choose to ignore it and it just isn't the case.

What happened with you in the army is horrible and should not have happened - but it just doesn't happen where I am.

Domestic violence is rife and society is riddled with it. But (if you are married) I can't justifiably say that your partner will probably be engaging in it too by simply extrapolating the statistics.

Pixiedust1234
Are you expecting 100% of the population to have trust/faith in the police?
So this will include all the people we are chasing & putting to court and jail.
All your organised crime gangs and drug dealers/users
All your thieves and burglars
Pedophiles and sex offenders, people traffickers
Traffic offenders, persistent drink drivers and no insurance people
etc etc

You honestly think they are going to have a positive view of the police?

Confirmedwitch
Clearly wrong - there is no necessity to arrest for this and it should not have happened.
If its someone you know and you know more about the case - then you can make a complaint about the way it was done.
Officers like this need to be removed from the force.

Felix. Just fucking stop. If your force simply doesn't have that behaviour (i refuse to believe it) your chief bod should be onto the home office shouting about it, they should be benchmarking you and your perfect colleagues. You should all be touring round the country telling all the other forces how it's done.

Right? Are you doing that? why not? Because it IS happening under your nose but you don't care because it doesn't affect you.

You have completely ignored a second time where i told you that when i point out, now, to the guys who were doing it then, that they were sexist fuckers "i don't remember that" "we were probably having a laugh" and the absolute fucking corker of "why didn't you tell anyone then if it was so bad?"

Simply make a complaint ladies. That will sort it all out.

It’s all good.

A. Felix isn’t a policeman and is another common or garden mansplainer. Result - our point is proved.

or

B. Felix is a policeman and is willfully / cluelessly blind to misogyny and the current state of the police’s reputation with women in the UK. Result - our point is proved.

It’s irrelevant anyway as it’s like us spending time arguing that the sky is blue.

Brefugee
That's your experience in your workplace - certainly not mine. And it is horrible and should not have been allowed.
I'm not saying misogyny doesn't exist in the police and never have, but if you think the examples you gave in the army happen where i am - no, they simply don't. Are you are suggesting that I have 'unzipped my fly and waved my dick' at a colleague????

And you can't justifiably say that its happening in front of me without any evidence of such and start accusing my team of being misogynistic. Ditto with covering anything up - which in my view is just as bad.

All forces do share work practices with each other, so we probably are, just as other forces do. But going 'on a tour' - we struggle to get leave, let alone go on a tour!

AlisonDonut
Or don't complain then - and it just continues as it is.
Bare in mind the complaint can come from anyone - person's solicitor, support worker, family member someone with knowledge of the case etc etc

So people on here who can say 100% that Caroline's arrest is wrong and know the full story - should make a complaint to that police force. Simple to do on-line now. Just state you connection to the case or Caroline and what the complaint is.

MissMissive
I'm not saying it doesn't exist and never have.
But people are specifically accusing me and my team of being misogynistic, if people are going to directly accuse me of it - they should back this up with something and not just assume.

I have always believed that it is the responsibility of other police officers to expose bad behaviour and illegality among serving officers, not the general public.

Dumbo12
I agree - either the public can raise it, so if a police officer who is single crewed attends their house and is rude or offensive - that member of the public can raise it directly as a complaint.

Or if a police officers sees something which his colleague does or says which is wrong - they can raise it. They can do this directly to their supervision, directly to the department of standards & ethics or there is a secure email they can use.

But anyone can raise a complaint.

An arrested person's solicitor can raise it if they believe the police have made a false arrest, breached any part of PACE or were oppressive in the interview.

The arrested person themselves can raise a complaint.

Support agencies can raise a complaint - DV support, rape support, mental health services, hospital etc etc - anyone member of these can raise a complaint against the police if they believe they have acted wrongly against the person they are supporting.

VCOP, witness care and victim support can raise a complaint etc etc

Police can raise a complaint against their own - and if a see anything I will raise it. But so far, nobody on my shift has exhibited any such behaviour.

I'm not surprised Farrow feels victimised by the police after reading this thread and the increasingly more far-fetched excuses for and denial of the police's treatment of women.

@Felix125 if things have changed back - good! BUT absolutely female victims were forced to. Of course there is no duty to seize but I have it on authority of police and a well respected CPS prosecutor of many years that around 3 years ago it was decided (in our force / nationally?) to insist on seeing DV / sexual assault victims phones or NFA'ing the case following a practice review due to collapsed trials where the defence had produced surprise text evidence that CPS were unaware of.

Please stop assuming that of you're not aware of it, it's not true

Anyone can raise a complaint. And increase the number of people harassing and targeting you to include even more officers who now hold a personal grudge. Who wouldn't want that target on their back?

Jesus wept.