Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

If I were a person against who a malicious complaint was made, and came up against an officer like Felix I would feel like a victim all over again.

I would understand that the police need to investigate complaints. However I would expect them to keep an open mind to the possibility that I was telling the truth and that the complaint was another element in a long term harassment. Especially if there were history on file.

Felix has expressly said that he doesn't believe women. 🤷‍♀️ turning every woman reading Mumsnet, all 12 million, against the police, single-handedly.

Felix125 · 21/05/2023 08:26
Datun
So when women say you have decreased their trust in the police, you can't hear that.
I can hear it - I just don't agree.

Alltheprettyseahorses
What 'far fetched excuses'?
All have said is that we don't know the full story yet - so how can we judge?

andweallsingalong
I never denied it or suggested it didn't happen.
I am saying we don't use that practice now.
The only reason it could be used is if its brought up as a defence argument.
And so called '20 minute phone dumps' are not currently admissible in court.
How else do you want police to investigate a defence argument and have a case file ready for court?

AlisonDonut
If a solicitor makes a complaint of due process or a support agency worker - how does this put a target on someones back?

Go back to page 35 where i answered a similar point raised by RoseslnTheHospital about what happens in reflective practice and how it effects the way we conduct inquiries in the future.

How else would you prefer it to happen?

Needmoresleep
You would expect us to keep an open mind - Interesting point.

I have been saying right from page 1 that we don't know the full story, so we can't really judge what the police have done is right or wrong in this instance.
I'm keeping an open mind.

Yet most people on here are 100% certain that the police are wrong and that its all connected to the previous incidents involving Caroline and it must be the same person reporting it. But have no evidence at this point and are just assuming.

So who is keeping an open mind....?

Datun
Where have I said that i don't believe women????

I didn't agree with your statement which your posted as a question. That doesn't mean that I don't believe all women.

No - I don't agree that i have turned 12 million people against the police. A lot of people on this thread have a dislike of me. Right from page 1, I have had abusive names, offensive language used against me. Even MNHQ have deleted posts due to this. I have respectively answered peoples posts and referred to posters by their user name. I just get called names like 'splainer'. And yet I am the one being accused of being misogynistic.

Posters keep making comments that I am 'shutting women up' or calling them 'silly women' - but I have done no such thing and you can't quote anywhere where I have.

So no matter what I say, people on this thread will be against me. So, no I don't think this thread has altered any opinions.

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

Felix I suggested you took a look at the Farrow thread on Kiwifarms where a lot of material is archived.

This been going on for years and involves a very litigious lawyer whose name we cannot mention. We have open minds. Informed open minds.

Needmoresleep

And is this current arrest linked to that one....?

Or are you just assuming...?

No, no, no. When the women on here said you have decreased their trust in the police, you said you disagree.

Not believing women about their own trust issues isn't a terribly good look in a copper, it has to be said.

Here's an idea instead of asking the same questions over and over why don't you do what everyone else has done prior to commenting and just read it and find out.

We’re nearly at a thousand posts and I'm
worried about what will happen if a man doesn’t get the last word.

Christian mother with no criminal record is arrested several times at the behest of a pig in a wig and his fishy sidekick, and now she is arrested again.

As someone who obviously has a history of being harassed by both the pig in the wig and various police forces, any rational person would conclude that the likelihood of her being guilty is even lower than it would be for the average Christian mother.

However a thoroughgoing online boar, who may or may not have a wig, thinks we have to assume this Christian mother might be guilty, because obviously police harassment never occurs.

Did I miss anything wimms?

Datun
That was some of the people on here - in fact I think about 2-3 people agreed with you

I, however disagree with you and gave the reasons why.

Its a bit of stretch to say that all 12 million people on here automatically share your view.

Boiledbeetle
Because we can't possible know if its linked yet.
We don't know who the reporting person is yet
We don't know what has been alleged yet
We don't know if its linked to what's happened in the past yet
So we can't judge yet.

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

PriOn1
I'm not assuming anything.

Others on here however are assuming that's its all linked together and it must be the same person reporting - but have no evidence of this.

I'm keeping an open opinion - because at this stage, we just don't know.

What are you missing?

If A contributor to a thread can't be bothered to read the back history to the thread, despite being directed to it multiple times, then I'm afraid every single thing that contributor has said over the entire thread can be discounted as rubbish.

If a contributor assumes all sorts without reading up on the case I can see why the majority on the thread would think that contributor was talking out of their arse.

Boiledbeetle
And before I start reading the back history
Can you categorically say at this stage that it is all related to the current arrest?

I asked you this before and your response was:

"No. None of us can. Well one poster could but she very rightly isn't going to...." Boiledbeetle Page 14

"...If a contributor assumes all sorts without reading up on the case..." - I'm not assuming anything. Everyone else appears to assume that its all linked. I'm not assuming anything at this stage, because we just don't know.

Something that I have consistently said from page 1

38 pages later and we are still going over the same argument.

I've got 10 pages so page 14 isn't helpful.

And we will continue to have the same conversation until you actually read up on the case.

If you can't be bothered to engage with the actual history of the person the thread is about then why should we pay any attention to a single word you say.

Had you read up on the case then given your opinion that would be different. But you just keep telling us what should happen in your perfect police station where no-one is a horrible person and you are all perfect and follow the rules 100% of the time.

What should happen hasn't always been the case for Caroline, hasn't been the case for a lot of women on here.

And you are assuming something. You are assuming the police are in the right. Most on here would probably disagree with you.

People usually post when things go wrong. So constant explanations of how things are supposed to go are pointless. They didn't go that way; that's why there's a thread.
We already know how things are supposed to go. We don't need telling once and its not more effective to keep repeating. It just shows contempt for the other board users.

May I ask what the relevance of her religious beliefs are? You said several times she is Christian?

Even if you just search on a single word, like trust, it's way more than three people!!

So let's make it really simple. Taking all the women on this thread who say you have decreased their trust in the police, how many of them would you claim that is not the case?

Let's exactly how many women you think are incorrect about their own trust issues.

I’d wager my house that a Christian woman is less likely to have a criminal record than a man who claims he’s a woman.

And yes, Christianity, despite its history, is much more honest than the modern religion of gender identity.

But I know you are a devout worshipper of the latter, so you will consider me a heretic for my vile utterance.

Oh God, please make it stop. Even though I don't believe in you.

Oh, for an ignore function.

I thought, foolishly, that there must have been an interesting development in Mrs. F's case, but no, just a series of splats of verbal diarrhoea.

My very wise Gran told me something along the lines of

Never try to wrestle a pig. You both get muddy but the pig enjoys it.

Words to ponder, perhaps.

Boiledbeetle
Your previous quote:
Boiledbeetle · 01/05/2023 09:22 "No. None of us can. Well one poster could but she very rightly isn't going to...."

Caroline's past history will be similar to: - the same person has reported her 10 times using a site called Kiwi Farms and has made an allegation of harassment and/or mal comms. She may have been arrested 10 times, had electronic devices seized and each time, no further action was taken. Sounds horrendous and if the police were wrong they should be taken to task.

But are you 100% certain that this current arrest is a continuation of the same?

Because your post of 01/05/2023 09:22 said we can't be sure?

If we can't be sure - how can we judge how the police have handled this current case other than just assuming? We don't know what the allegation is, who has made it or anything. If the police turn out to be wrong, then they should be taken to task, but at this stage we just don't know.

Thelnebriati
People keep throwing the same argument back at me.
They all start asking other questions, which i am answering - such is a forum.

Datun
There were about 3 people on this thread who agreed with you that the trust has decreased by me - but could not say why?

How can I decreases a person's trust in the police by saying that we don't know what this current arrest is about so we should keep an open mind. I have also said if it turns out the police were wrong, that if it turns out to be 3 bored cops have arrested Caroline for no particular reason, then its wrong and they need sacking.

But its hardly 12 million as you suggested.

SinnerBoy
I'm answering people's posts.
I think its quite rude to ignore people if they have asked me a question.
Its a discussion forum, if you don't want to engage, you don't have to.

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

Not cool. And I say this as someone who thinks Felix is a piece of work.

Not cool? Okay.

There were about 3 people on this thread who agreed with you that the trust has decreased by me - but could not say why?

How can I decreases a person's trust in the police

and this is what? the third iteration of exactly the same sentiment.

It's bad enough that you don't accept what women are saying about their own trust issues. It's risible that you seem to justify on the basis of your own incomprehension.

Unless what they say sanctioned by you, you don't believe it!

🤣🤣🤣

I, Brefugee, do here solemnly declare that every post i see by F.... decreases my trust in the police a little bit more.
I'm not reading any more of their posts in case my trust descends into negative figures.

Me too, Bref, me too.