What rights do transpeople believe they do not have?

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Serious question, so I can go back and discuss with my DDs (aged 38 and 42) without a row. I support JKR and they call me a TERF!

I agree AliceMcK women have been fighting for our rights as long as I can remember and I personally feel we are in danger of losing them. At my age I won't be affected but at Dds ages, they will be.

He's wrong.

This is what these narcissistic men expect us to accommodate. No, just fuck off.

Riappia I brought them up to be fully independent women and to voice their opinions but I feel I failed miserably now.

dropthevipers that's it, exactly.

A lot of TRAs seem to think that trans people are denied access to health care. What they mean, of course, is that trans people can’t always easily get cosmetic surgery on their genitals/hysterectomy/mastectomy/supplies of hormone medication without a long wait and/or a very expensive bill.

This seems reasonable to me given how drastic these ‘treatments’ are and how profound and irreversible the side effects can be. I think it should be pretty hard to access these treatments.

its awful isn't it OP
personally I can only conclude I over did the 'be kind, don't discriminate ' etc when they were little
But I'd be asking your DDs-
can trans people vote?
own property?
get credit?
marry?
divorce?
get an education?
enter any profession they chose?
join a trade union?
practice a religion?
be paid equally to anyone else for the work they do?

because if so they have MORE rights than women did until recently (in the UK, in living memory) and far more than many women in other countries
so please can we go back to supporting ur sisters elsewhere and stop wasting time with this over priveleged whining

Oh I had forgotten about that deluded clap trap.

Was it was Harry Josephine
who wrote it? That poet who gave Jenny Linsay a terrible time?

This made for very scary reading, they're not asking for much are they!
Many people are living in chronic pain, day in, day out, and still they don't receive special/expensive medication or surgeries which could help them,
Waiting lists for operations are years long and often cancelled at the last minute,
Even if they wanted to, our NHS just cannot cope with the trans-health manifesto demands,

This about sums it up

There were numerous threads on here about Dylan Mulvaney's sponsored instagram posts, how was she infringing on anyone else's rights?

OP here’s my take because this is my life.

I have a physical impairment.
This physical impairment means I am not allowed to drive.
This physical impairment means I will not qualify for multiple jobs as it would not be safe.
This physical impairment means I’m having to think hard on the matter of having children as their are implications and things that make it not so straight forward.
There is absolutely nothing I can do to fix this physical impairment. I can “soothe it” so to speak and do things that make daily life manageable and doable, but I can’t fix it.
So what’s the answer?
I could campaign that people like me should have a right to do the jobs I can’t, thus risking the lives of many and others because otherwise it’s not fair on me.
I could say driving is my human right and again risk the lives of everyone on the road every day.

But like everyone with an impairment or a disability, I have to work with the cards I’ve been dealt. This is my physical body and it can do this much and therefore I am prevented from doing several things. I still have the right to earn my money by the means I can and live and do everything else and I have the right to dress how I want and eat and act how I want and so forth.

Thats my argument to trans. If someone wants to live as the opposite sex or non-binary, fine. Our clothes and physical appearance are stereotypes anyway. If a man wants to wear make up, have long hair, where a dress, fine. If someone wants to change their pronouns and name, fine. I’m a woman who hates high heels and would rather be in trainers and much prefers blue to pink and hoodies to cardigans. If someone wants to be known as the opposite gender or sex, fine. Do so. I respect that. Live your life how it makes you happy. I don’t care who people sleep with and have relationships with.

But your physical sex cannot change. Just like my impaired body can’t change, someone trans can never fully change. Therefore a trans rights stop where mine stop, you go where you can physically go. Wear a dress but you go in the male changing room, the male toilets, the male prison, the male shelter. Don’t waste the NHS funding demanding smear tests when you don’t have a bloody vagina. Don’t pretend you understand periods and childbirth when you can never go through them. No you can’t come to breastfeeding groups because they are for women who are breastfeeding. Duh. I’m childless yet a women so I don’t bloody invite myself along to breastfeeding groups!

If you feel you are being deprived by not being allowed to go to Women’s clinics etc then have a think about people who also have things that they can’t join in with due to their physicality that isn’t their choice. It’s not just trans people who are “blocked” from aspects of life. Plenty of people are. Beyond reasonable adjustments, that unfortunately is just how life is.

Thats my view.

That’s how I would argue it OP. And how I have argued it with a non binary acquaintance.

Yes, this important. Get them to read her words, not what people who send death threats have claimed she said. Good luck!

Thisis important.

Thanks AnneWhittle that's a good list.

Ah yes, the profoundly disingenuous ‘trans people just want to live their lives’ trope.

If trans people just wanted to live their lives, we wouldn’t even be here having this discussion… 😑

People who choose to put themselves in the public eye as a means to make a living, are subject to criticism online and in tabloid press. That doesn’t make it right but it’s what happens. You surely can’t claim you’ve never noticed the widespread media and public slating of female celebrities/reality stars etc? Sidebar of shame ring any bells?

I think that was the rumoured author, yep. Or one of them. It may have been a collective effort. Certainly looks like it was written by several warring committees.

OP - just get them to explain to you exactly what JKR has ever said that they disagree with. What she has actually said, not what they think she has said.

Mulvaney who parodies an offensive, regressive, demeaning caricature of what a 'girl' is? That Mulvaney?

Dylan is doing a grotesque and offensive parody of womanhood, and you don’t think it’s fair for women to object to that? What if Dylan had decided they were black and blacked up and filmed Dylan-self performing offensive stereotypes about black people - do you think that would be ok?

Thanks for putting that so clearly and honestly, LoveQuinn. You’re not inviting sympathy, even though I reckon anyone with a disability would have the right to say they were ‘born in the wrong body’. Transactivists demand modifications to their healthy, functioning bodies, and wallow in self-pity. What a shameful contrast.

If a person who say is biological born a male, suddenly says I identify as a bird, does that make them a bird,
Or I identify as a dog, does that make them a dog,
Then to ask the main perspective, if they say I identify as a women, then why is the logic different ?

The right to 'no debate'.

I thought people were allowed to dress however they want?

They can but that is not what Dylan Mulvaney is doing and you know it, stop being so false.