What rights do transpeople believe they do not have?

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Serious question, so I can go back and discuss with my DDs (aged 38 and 42) without a row. I support JKR and they call me a TERF!

’Genocide’ doesn’t mean what you obviously think it means.

For a couple of examples of the sorts of atrocities that do fall under the definition, you could look up ‘the Holocaust’ and ‘Rwanda’.

You could also look into the confronting number of women (xx) killed by men on a daily/weekly/annual basis.

@MerlinsLostMarbles What's your view of groups like this which call for the murder of women who don't believe people can change sex?

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/06/21574/

Well said.

So, given that the number of trans people being murdered is less than one per year in the UK and less than 400 per year globally (representing less than 0.1% of all homicide victims), let's talk about suicide. How many trans people have actually died by suicide? We hear an awful lot of figures from trans rights organisations about how many trans people have thought about or attempted suicide, but since this is entirely self reported and there are no statistics whatsoever about how many people in the general population have ever thought about or attempted suicide, this isn't very useful data. We do know that quite a lot of people die by suicide every year; it is one of the leading causes of death among young men in fact. Would it not be useful to gather statistics about the birth sex and any gender identity of all suicide victims so we can assess whether trans people are actually at greater risk of suicide or not? For what it's worth, I would actually expect the figure to be slightly higher than average, since gender dysphoria must be very difficult to live with.

I don't, however, see why any of the blame for this lies with women.

Kiwi Farms picks on anyone the users believe can be "farmed" for entertaining distress. It's target list is wider than the trans-identifying.

Thank you for clarifying that Kiwi Farms isn’t a dangerous hate group that goes after trans people due to transphobia, but merely a group looking for some entertainment.

Come late to this one. Has anyone actually answered the original question yet?

Was this person a feminist? The tweet is gone and doesn’t seem to be archived.

No person should be advocating for nazi methods to be used on any person or group.

However, what is your point? Do we need to point out the number of threats to women who disagree with gender identity ideology from some trans people ? Do you ignore those? Those would simply flood the thread and wouldn’t scratch the surface. And that is just the threats from some trans people and not from the rest of society.

What is your point? The laws are already in place to protect trans people. The laws are not being weakened by allowing those who seek to harm them into their spaces?

What rights are your posts trying to prove are not in place?

I think the point being made is that KiwiFarms go after many other groups as well, so no, it's not specifically an anti trans hate group but more of a generalised full service hate group. And I think you know that but are pretending not to.

If by that you mean has anyone identified any actual rights which trans people don't have but other people do have and trans people ought to have, then the answer is no.

We've identified a few "rights" trans people have which they should not have because nobody else has them and because they infringe on the rights of other groups though.

Yes MargotBamborough, that's exactly what I meant. And the outcome is just as I expected.

i Thank you for clarifying that Kiwi Farms isn’t a dangerous hate group that goes after trans people due to transphobia, but merely a group looking for some entertainment.

Thank you for intentionally mischaracterising my post.

Where I'm from bullying people into committing suicide because they are LGBT isn't "entertainment". It's a very serious crime.

"The tweet is gone and doesn’t seem to be archived."

It is an archive but the formatting got messed up. I'll try again:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230428212657/twitter.com/KathyMcClarn/status/1651942826698047490" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20230428212657/twitter.com/KathyMcClarn/status/1651942826698047490

It works if you highlight the web archive link then right click and select "go to address".

Where I'm from bullying people into committing suicide because they are LGBT isn't "entertainment". It's a very serious crime.

The person doing it faced the due process of the Law then?

I assume you also think that well worn tactic of TRAs to bully and emotionally blackmail by threatening suicide if they don't get what they want is equally repellent?

Where I'm from bullying people into committing suicide because they are LGBT isn't "entertainment". It's a very serious crime.

It's like trying to explain to a marble - it's that the people who frequent Kiwi Farms find distress entertaining. I didn't say bullying to suicide is entertaining.

Where I'm from bullying people into committing suicide because they are LGBT isn't "entertainment". It's a very serious crime.

Why don't you sign up to that site and tell them?

What's the point in haranguing us about what other people are saying on other sites, much of which we don't agree with either?

Damn, I blinked and I missed.

Not a shock. Evidently biological facts don't matter anymore.

You do realise that this isn't Kiwi Farms, right?

And that women discussing women's rights on Mumsnet aren't actually responsible for what other people post on Kiwi Farms?

I wonder this too. A failure to cope with a differing opinion seems to be where a lot of the accusations of “phobia” and feelings of “being unsafe” come from. It must be an awful way to live.

But where does it come from?