Would you ever consider a transman a man?

[Sidaway]

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

As I said, unnecessary breast surgery doesn't go down well here.

I was aware you were being amusing. I found it funny.

And I complain about people being rude and abusive when they are.

If only there were an app for 'why does that coat look so good on them, and would it work for me?' :)

Well, I would think a woman who claims to be a man has some issues. If she has bits of her body chopped off, that is self harm. Same with taking drugs which may damage her body. I would feel very sorry for her, of course. That she has such pain, and self loathing of her very sex.

We know that many of the girls who try to opt out of womanhood have been damaged. Whether abuse, or homophobia, and the sexualisation of female as ‘the other’. They want to escape, and think cosmetically altering their bodies will be a way out.

So, with that background, I would only have sympathy for them. I wish they could see they are fully human as the women they are. I’d be worried their loathing of themselves extends to other women as well. So, there’s that.

I mean obviously a transman is a woman. Its impossible to define a transman without referring to her sex.

So no, OP, there is no way a transman is a man, not in any way whatsoever.

How the hell did we end up with a movement that seeks to declare the opposite of reality as truth? Sometimes I think its the point. The absurdity, the obvious impossibility of it. A grand declaration of faith, like transubstantiation.

Oh good! I thought I was losing my 'it's the way I tell' em' touch😃

Maybe I should try my luck on the MN shopping board :
'Help me find a coat that would make me irresistible to women. BTW I am a woman, size 14'😁

But is it double breasted, Marie?

I'll get my coat ...

No single-breasted, I got it on Amazon😂

What aggression? I don't see any at all in the reply you've quoted. Assertive responses are not aggressive.

Oh, very good! 😂

I'm sure you'll be fine. Confidence is everything anyway. The coat amplifies what's already there, it doesn't create :)

It was literally a repetition of 'die in a ditch' and 'I hope that you are raped'. It was truly vile.

I'm sorry to anyone who got the brunt of it.

Yes, Arabella. No one should have to accept such abuse just to show people how abusive some extremists get. Quite a few posters had direct responses from that poster.

Transwomen are men in skirts!

The OP is about trans men. They are not
men in skirts but the opposite: females with short hair, deeper voices, facial hair and possibly male pattern baldness all from taking testosterone; flat chests from binding or mastectomies; and possibly other surgery.

it's just that I haven't met the right man'

That really is the vibe. How many times has the average lesbian heard that in their lives?

And why are you getting that little wodge of homophobic misogyny? Because a very small percentage of people want everyone to pretend that sex doesn't exist or matter.

It's quite astounding isn't it?

You can't be homosexual or claim to be, because it upsets a very small percentage of trans people. (By messing with their preferred personal reality. And let's be honest, 'trans people' in reality is only ever about the men with trans identities).

Women can't have privacy or dignity any more, because it upsets a very small percentage of trans people. (see above.)

Children can't have safe guarding any more because yada yada.

All this endless wanging on about tolerance is.... coming from a group of really staggering amounts of intolerance, and basically boils down to an inability to accept other people not revolving their lives at all times around them.

No thank you. I don't respond well to people who behave like this, and do it while yelling at me for being 'intolerant' or 'bigoted' - by which they mean 'has boundaries and independence of thought that thwarts me'.

It's amazing I ended up in a (very) long term relationship, considering that (despite being a man) I have had problems with confidence throughout my life and particularly before I married.

Saying people are attracted to others on the basis of confidence etc. is missing the point of sexualities existing at all. To be attracted to someone they have to be a sex you are attracted to to engage your physical sexuality at all, and a personality type that you like to engage your liking. For some that might be brash and confident, others may prefer more humour or modesty, whether attracted to men or women.

If your attraction only depends on personality, that is because you are bisexual - your sexuality doesn't mind what sex the person's body is. For most people, straight or gay, it does mind.

I can't believe you've dug a post up from 2023
But I'll reply anyway, the post i replied to was talking about butch lesbian and transwomen.

Transwomen are definitely men in skirts or in Islas case pink leggings.

Transmen are not men. They are women on hormones.
I'd say they were women in trousers but really 95% of the female population wear trousers so it needs to be a bit more precise than my men in skirts comment.

Sorry to hear it. You should go easier on yourself, I'm sure you're very much loved.

Lack of confidence can blind someone as to why people love them, which is a bad spiral to start. Maybe accept they love you because of who you are?

I'm fine, thank you. Not so much need for confidence at my age. But I wasn't angling for sympathy, I was disagreeing with this: Trans men attract partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy, same as everyone else. It sounds like the advice column in Jackie.

Not everyone "attract[s] partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy". Thank God, or those of use who are boring and not particularly sexy wouldn't stand a chance!

I honestly think you're doing yourself a disservice. Straight women are attracted by exactly the attributes I'm describing.

For example, appearance has far less to do with attraction than charisma. There's also trust - women need to feel safe with a bloke, however they present.

As for Jackie - before my time, and I was probably bombing around on a BMX when the late 80s equivalent was out :)

Very sorry to hear about your partner’s cancer. Best wishes to you both.

You just described Roger Moore

Thank you. Very much appreciated.

Really certain I didn't get off with Roger Moore, but you never know 🤔