Would you ever consider a transman a man?

[Sidaway]

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

I have done a few times. Most of the times (I’d say 7/10) I found out they were biologically female I still perceived them to be male as that’s how they presented to me from the offset

No, I don't consider them men.

If I think in terms of, am I attracted to them in the way I am attracted to men, I would say not in my experience. Even ones that are nice looking aren't attractive in the way men are.

Now, I do find Buck Angel sort of attractive, but not really as a man or a woman in the normal sense. So I don't know if that would really pan out.

@Edwardthomasjones Reported.

Noooo...

"Edward" has been quite amusing.

Let's re-order the entire planet to reflect the new reality that 2+2=5 while we're at it. Just to please "Edward".

Nothing will work, the lights will go out, the water will stop pumping, the cars, planes, and trains will all crash... but so long as "Edward" is happy!

Because she's all that counts.

No because they are not men.

It is not possible for me to be a transwoman BECAUSE I am a woman. Therefore being a transwoman and a woman are mutually exclusive.

Same for Transmen.

Well you sound delightful. No one can change sex. ‘Transmen’ are women by definition. Hope that helps.

Imagine telling women that they should die in a ditch and be raped. All because they don’t believe women or men can change sex. It must be very hard to realise that you have been sold a lie by all those who have supported you to believe something was possible when it was not.

People fall in love with people, not genitals. I consider myself as straight as the average slide rule, but who knows? The right woman may come along and I may fall in love with her, in some theoretical future where I was single.

If you watch I Kissed A Boy, you'll see that Lars (who is trans) has absolutely no issue pulling one of the fittest men there. In the follow-up show, they are shown to be deeply in lust with each other.

I have a trans son. He's been out for many years now, and I consider him to be...him. I don't look at him and feel conflicted- I just perceive him as a trans man, because he is.

Trans men are perfectly normal people, and falling in love with someone depends upon charisma, shared interests and personal attraction.

I think I could fall for a trans guy, yeah, personally, because the older I get the more I realise it's about how much confidence and (often) how they rock a cool coat that matters.

Anyone can fall for anyone. I guess if you hate trans people and have no respect for their existence (hi Mumsnet!) that would be an issue for you though.

I mean, I cannot be alone on here in being the partner of someone who's got prostate cancer. If the surgery leaves him impotent, for however long, we'll be having other forms of sex. It's completely reductive and quite horrible to reduce men to whether or not they can penetrate you with a penis. There is far more to sex, and attraction, than that.

Zombie thread.

Yeah yeah, but they’re still not men though. Good for you, you may be inherently pansexual. And homophobic but you do you. The fact you are denying homosexuality is abhorrent. You do realise that I kissed a boy was scripted right? Please tell me you don’t believe that was real?

Honestly.

The people who created stonewall would be turning in their graves.

This ideology is so homophobic, it pretends sexual orientation doesn't even exist.

The issue is, @TransParentlyAnnoyed it does, and it always has.

Furthermore, it's a protected characteristic. Presumably because of people like you wishing it away.

Liking people because of their charisma or shared interests is sexual preference. Sexual orientation comes first.

Necro-thread 🧟

Anyway, this post is a great example of one of the main issues with much TRA rhetoric; not much reality, lots of theorising, and a tendency to stray into such fantasy it’s up there with ‘what if cats grew opposable thumbs?’.
The hard truth is that there’s always an uncanny valley effect with even passing trans people. Sex differentiation was hard-wired into our brains so far back we still had scales and a tail, and denying that will always be a losing battle and completely unrealistic. Those who’ve claimed they don’t see sex are lying for clout, and such blatant dishonesty throws anything else they say into doubt.

Is that what Eddie was saying? Shame that the pists were reported and deleted. Always best to shed light on what they think for the MN users who just browse these threads and still believe the “just want to live their lives” as well as “most beautiful” bollocks.

In what way could a female person ever be a man in any other way than through the performance of a particular role? The problem is if you are always having to perform a role than you can never relax and just be yourself.

Yes, it was indeed. Early hours of the morning. Odd to revive a 3-year-old thread for the purpose. It must have struck a nerve.