Would you ever consider a transman a man?

[Sidaway]

Parallel question to this really:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782092-would-you-ever-consider-a-transwoman-a-woman

Would the straight women here consider a trans-identified female, who "passed" really well, as a romantic/sexual partner?

And for the lesbian women here, would that "passing" be a turn-off?

NO

Yes. Short messages which said only this or this + disgree. No evidence or reasons (other than poster was bigoted and Edward is right). Not intelligent but definitely persistent.

If you want to be bi, be bi and enjoy. That's great. Happy for you. Leave alone the people who want to be homosexual without harassing them to move their boundaries and provide sex they do not want and do not choose, because that's homophobic and pretty vile behaviour.

If that invalidates your beliefs around gender, then that is a 'you' problem.

His cancer's very real, dude. So is my kid.

Plus, the thread asked a question, I answered it.

Maybe consider whether you're addicted to being abusive and rude for the sake of it.

Oh wow. You think orientation comes before attraction?

Get out more, read more. See the world, experience its variety! There's a reason the category 'men who have sex with men' exists - it's because lots of them don't identify as gay or bi.

You think out gay people don't sometimes have sex with the opposite gender? That a really large number of women haven't had casual sex with other women? Or that gay men and lesbians don't ever have sex?

Honey, expand that mind of yours. It'll make you happier. Chaos theory is real, we don't ever know what, or who, tomorrow will bring.

No. I've known a fair few, mostly online, and they always came across as strongly female even though I couldn't see them. Larping as a man, but can't pull it off. I wonder if they convince themselves.

Your argument is based on weak evidence: 1. a fictional TV show; 2. your child whom you love and don't want to lose; 3.a hypothetical future with your husband, as if anyone had said that the ability to have penetrative sex with a penis was the definition of being male. People can't change sex. Men who lose their penises are still men.

Indeed. I also find this 'ppl being attracted to genitalia is so ewwww and basic unlike saintly trans ppl who are attracted to ppls inner soul and personality' profoundly irritating and juvenile

I love my best female friend but I don't want to have sex with her because she's a woman & im not sexually attracted to women. I'm attracted to men - not just their cocks but all the other male physical characteristics as well like broad shoulders, narrow hips, height, hairy chests, the smell. Women are not men however much testosterone they take or surgery they have.

How tf can a gender be opposite?

Also - wtf does chaos theory have to do with anything? I admit its been a very long time since I read anything on it but iirc it was mostly about wind currents and mathematical modelling, not creative sexualities.

Again. If you want to be bi, be bi.

Leave people who want to be homosexual alone to be homosexual in peace. Not everyone and everything has to revolve around gender.

Fictional, huh? 😁 Interesting how people cope.

And my love for my kid isn't based on his genitals, who knew? I don't judge other people for who they are, who they love or how their body is composed. This is normal.

What's being discussed is attraction, not belief. Rejecting someone because their chromosomes aren't arranged as you prefer is significantly weird.

Trans people exist whether you believe in them or not. They aren't the tooth fairy. Sorry to break that to you.

'I don't judge other people for who they are, who they love or how their body is composed.'

You make absolutely no judgements on a person based on their sex? None at all?

I'm literally just answering the question posed by the thread.

Attraction isn't a choice. When people are consenting adults, the only thing that matters is whether you like them.

I'm attracted to men afaik, but who knows what the future could bring?

Trans men attract partners by being confident, kind, interesting and sexy, same as everyone else.

People telling women to 'broaden their minds' about sexual attraction has a familiar ring to it, tbh.

Rejecting someone because their chromosomes aren't arranged as you prefer is significantly weird.

Rejecting someone based on sex is about the most standard definition of sexuality you can get. That's gross homophobia.

As a lesbian I would consider a transman as a potential partner if it were not for the inherent misogyny of trying to destroy your female body.

I find it really cute the way trans activists and their acolytes talk about being in love and having sex. I do wonder if they really believe that all sexual encounters that happen around the world are because the participants love each other. What about prostitution? Do you think, @TransParentlyAnnoyed, that the men trawling the streets looking for sex as I write this will be OK with any physical attributes that the person they alight on may have or that they'll be 'in love' with that person? If so, you really need to get out more.

My answer to the OP would be no, of course not. The trans identified female can think she's a man all she likes but I don't have to. And if I were looking for a sexual partner she definitely wouldn't cut the mustard. Hetero means opposite, so I want someone opposite from me. I want taller, stronger, harder, broader shoulders, narrow hips, male genitals, no breasts etc etc. I'd be livid if we got down to it and I discovered I was with a version of me. I accept, of course, that some people would be fine with it, that's up to them. But it really would not do for me.

Sorry, I meant: I know gay men who've had casual sex with straight women. One woman told me she felt safer sleeping with a gay man.

There's a big difference between orientation, attraction and, say, having casual sex with a friend. Life is infinitely varied, and judging other people by how they choose to live & love is deeply wrong.

Physical attraction is what would be the first thing for me.
Women that feel they’re men, aren’t physically attractive to me.
Men that think they’re women are a total turnoff.

If 'Man' is being redefined as 'someone who rocks a cool coat', I want to know who judges if the coat is cool or not, and who judges if the rocking is up to standard?

On second thoughts, I think I'll stick with 'adult, human male'.

So, to answer the OP: No. A female person does not fulfil the 'male' aspect of being a man.

Prostitution isn't sex. It's a transaction, and often an abusive one. It can very frequently be classed as rape.

The thread is about personal preference & attraction, and I answered the question 🤷

I also discussed how people fall for people, not bodies.

If you have a shopping list of male attributes, good for you. For me, a correctly-raised eyebrow, confidence, the right coat or shirt, trust, and how amusing someone is matters more to me.

What about Eunuchs? Paraphiliacs? Cause I have to admit I judge the fuck out of them.

How about you consider why being confronted with bald truths is ‘abusive and rude’ to you?
You being made uncomfortable by reality is a you problem, not a me problem.

No amount of eyebrow raising, correct or otherwise, is really going to make up for the wrong sex, tbh.