Well done Irish Parents! Protest today in Co Dublin against Trans ideology in schools! Link to video inside!

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https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin/

Link to video inside! 11 minutes covering the parents protest in Swords Co Dublin today. Protesting against the proposed sex education in primary schools. There was a small counter protest who had a very loud alarm trying to drown out the poor parents.

Watch the video, very encouraging!

@Lavenderlemongrass agreed. The parents & grandparent in the video are obviously highly concerned about what is children are being exposed to. They are shocked & will no longer be silenced. I think that video has woken up the nation. Very left leaning friends are whatsapping & are like wtf... My dc's class groups up in arms also!

You're right. I don't understand how you think they are using my concern for unsuitable sex education for their own ends to promote racism, anti-immigration polices etc.

Could you explain why you think I will suddenly become a racist by agreeing with their concerns about this book?

@Datun you only have to look at how enamoured the OP was with the 'concerned dad' in the video. To the point that despite have a link to the book and a number of posters telling her they had read the book announced she would believe only him on this matter.

Now maybe the OP does not go off and find him on Twitter or Facebook but someone else will. And if he is so right on this matter, and such a concerned father maybe their is some truth to his claims that Ireland is being invaded by unvetted migrants who are raping and killing our women and children. And maybe the reason I can't find somewhere to live is because they are being given all the houses.

Have you ever found yourself following a page on Facebook posting things you'd never agree with and wonder how you ended up liking that page?

@Flounder2022 nearly 4,000 likes, 1,000 shares & nearly 600 comments in complete support of the parents & grandparents involved.. I'm not the only one "enamoured" with that dad of 5 with two little girls as the likes, comments & shares prove.

Just to add those facebook shares are people who have shared onto the facebook profile. It doesn't include all the WhatsApp sharing, Instagram sharing, email etc. This dad is going viral & getting his point heard.
Maybe Juno Dawson will view the video & clarify about the "anal fisting" he refers to in the video!
Either way @Flounder2022 the floodgates are open & parents won't be silenced. This dad, the mum & all the others have started the ball rolling.

Really?

I thought he was great. Articulate, furious and informed.

The thing is everyone saying what he is saying 'is right on this matter'. It's a completely normal reaction.

Few people are going to imagine that their agreement with this man is such an unusually niche view that it makes him and his life politics something they need to follow up on and then acquire!

Most people aren't going give a flying fuck about the rest of his life, they're just bloody grateful that he has the coherence he has, in front of a camera.

I haven't found myself liking things on Facebook that I don't agree with, no, but I see the point you are making.
I am a bit confused though. On the one hand you are worried that adults may be easily swayed to this man's (alleged) more concerning points of view. I say alleged as personally I don't know anything about him.
On the other hand you do not seem to be at all concerned that young teens will be negatively influenced or swayed by the graphic content and advice available in Juno's Dawson's book. In this I think you are out of step with most parents, as well as those authorities who withdrew it from the Junior Cycle rather than defend it.

Wait until you hear about the group of ideologues who view the chopping off removal of healthy breasts in young girls and women for cosmetic reasons as a good thing. Far from breastfeeding being an option, those unfortunates may also be left with possible scarring and movement problems. I hope you're not amplifying anyone who advocates for that harmful damage, or considers such a thing other than harm!

Also, if the Department of Education (and HSE) are linking or pointing children (or were intending to do so) in the direction of such resources, it is a little hair splitting to say they are not in schools. Now maybe it didn't get that far, but that is only thanks to the pressure exerted by parents to stop it. One of the books does talk about shoving a hand up an orifice. One of the others does do a paragraph pointedly about anal fisting. Without the caveat to girls that there is no prostate up there (so what is the bloody point for girls/women), and female tissues being thinner and more susceptible to damage. Maybe they should add a little addendum about possible damage and reconstruction surgery available. Reminds me of my Leaving Cert Biology book. The male skeleton was outlined in a continuous line, and the female skeleton was outlined in a broken border. 51% of the population being a variation on the male default. It's gone backwards methinks when females don't even get the broken borders in these times.

I don't know. The inquiries into abuses of the past was supposed to give rise to the idea of better safeguarding.

Well said @Datun I don't give a flying fuck about anyone's political leanings... Look what an incompetent bunch we have in power.
My no one issues & concerns will always be my children & their safeguarding.
I thought the dad was a breath of fresh air, like all sane minded parents he was in the absolute horrors about what was on the recommended reading list for 12 year olds.

I'm also a little curious about the 'stakeholders' who were given the opportunity to inform the choice of books.

Now, NGO's and lobby groups have a perfect right to exist (I'm not so sure how much or any public money they have a right to receive). However, such groups have their own interests at heart, and not even necessarily any expertise. Nor the broader interests of balance, safeguarding or the rights of others. I imagine they are not (or not all) experts in education either. Their whole raison d'être is 'pull' or pushing for their wants. I wonder is there a list of the stakeholders who were consulted, why they were chosen, ensuring appropriate care to make sure it was suitable for children and young teenagers.

Surely things should be evaluated on their own merits. Not disregarded or dismissed because someone you don't like agrees with them. I remember trying to read Aristotle's 'The Politics' before university. I found it very difficult as he has a few unpalatable things to say about slaves ond women. Threw it aside in a huff. Moved on to study it under a wonderful lecturer who changed my life and moved me along into adulthood. You can cherish the thing of value (democracy) without the surrounding bits.

I'm just writing these musings over a cake and coffee. Probably rambling even more than usual.

I am a bit confused though. On the one hand you are worried that adults may be easily swayed to this man's (alleged) more concerning points of view. I say alleged as personally I don't know anything about him.
On the other hand you do not seem to be at all concerned that young teens will be negatively influenced or swayed by the graphic content and advice available in Juno's Dawson's book.

Yes, claiming that the real problem is an entire process where you note the man's name, look him man up, follow his social media, go down a rabbit hole, see he is a racist, and then acquire his views, is, let's be charitable and call it far-fetched.

The other thing that's puzzling me is what the alternative ideal solution would have been? Some parent sees their 12 year old reading about putting a photo up on Grindr and thinks "oh dear, I think it might have been better if they hadn't read that"?

@Datun isn't it crazy logic. Any one in the country is entitled to their political views & leanings. It's called a democracy.
I have no idea who the dad is & I don't care. He's given the parents of Ireland vital information about our children's education (indoctrination) & I hope to see a lot more of him out & about.

I'm also a little curious about the 'stakeholders' who were given the opportunity to inform the choice of books.

Now, NGO's and lobby groups have a perfect right to exist (I'm not so sure how much or any public money they have a right to receive). However, such groups have their own interests at heart, and not even necessarily any expertise. Nor the broader interests of balance, safeguarding or the rights of others.

Indeed @Cailleach1.
I think they why and how this book ended up on recommended lists at JC level, and in libraries for children as young as 13, needs to be looked at very carefully.

Juno Dawson is a middle-aged male, attracted to males. Juno said

'A lot of gay men are gay men as a consolation prize, because they couldn't be women,'.

A rather homophobic viewpoint that did not go down very well with other gay men. Is this book all about homosexuality? Has Juno decided that being a young, gay man is now acceptable?

Because I was under the impression that it was also young girls who were reading these books. Hence the jarring comment about hook ups with 'out of town commuters'.

Perhaps Juno is unaware of the government report that said the overwhelming majority of girls do not want anal sex, (or fists in their rectums). And that the overwhelming majority of boys know this, but pressure them to do it anyway.

A more useful book would be one which helped girls to establish boundaries around sexual practices that they find abhorrent and are dangerous. And one that informed boys about how they can avoid violating those boundaries.

Not celebrating the virtues of anal fisting.

I will always look twice at anything that appears to me to be designed to stop me talking about something.

And there appears to be a lot of it about when it comes to questioning the indoctrination of children.

I could somewhat respect your position if you said 'I recognise that he holds views on other things that I don't agree with but I feel strongly enough about this issue and have weighed up giving him a platform and have decided it is worth it'. But you are basically saying 'I couldn't care less that he says all migrants are rapists and murders and feck the consequences of that.'

Definitely an internal investigation needed & an explanation sent to all secondary parents. The fact that they removed it straight away after the parental pushback proves they know their in the wrong.
Well if this is what's needed to spur parents into being extra vigilent & question the reasoning behind why kids are being exposed to certain materials it can only be for the greater good.

Flounder I have no interest in social media stalking the poor dad. I don't care. He's a parent who spoke out, more power to him that's as far as my interest in the dad goes
It's a democracy in Ireland he's entitled to have his opinions & political leanings the same as every other citizen.

@Datun I've read through the book and I can't find the reference to 'commuters'. Do you know what section it's in? Thanks

I don't think it is that book. This was another book. About a transgirl who gets sexually attacked by two girls.

My point is that a lot in these books comes across as adult, gay male sexual fantasies, couched in a little bit of slang and teen banter.

Here is a thread about it. With an analysis of the language from women who have actually been teenage girls.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3905777-Guardian-interview-with-Juno-Dawson?page=1

Sorry, I meant to be clear that it's another book by the same author.

Alice dyes her hair blue and has an “active, app-based sex life with married men from outlying commuter towns.

I really think they transactivists should have a think about this tactic of smearing opponents of Gender Ideoligy with cries of alignment with the far right or whoever.

If we're doing guilt by association, there's an embarrassment of riches to pick from on the transactvist side. Alignment with everything from sex crimes to violence against women, all the way up to school shootings. And that's only in the last fortnight. Are transactivists ok with aligning with men who'd break an elderly woman's orbital bone, say, because they both believe in gender ideology?

Is it such a good weapon when it could easily be turned against you with worse effect?

@1Week you've put that so well.