Well done Irish Parents! Protest today in Co Dublin against Trans ideology in schools! Link to video inside!

[Bláthannabuí]

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin/

Link to video inside! 11 minutes covering the parents protest in Swords Co Dublin today. Protesting against the proposed sex education in primary schools. There was a small counter protest who had a very loud alarm trying to drown out the poor parents.

Watch the video, very encouraging!

Well maybe labelling it pornography is not very helpful then. Because who would want pornography on a curriculum for any young person.

Difference is good!

Well, it's unavoidable anyway.

No-one has the monopoly on truth. Its not in your, or my gift to shut X group down.

No. But it is in all our gift to not amplify them

Like I said upthread, porn is subjective
Sometimes it's indisputablee. A lot of people would consider graphic descriptions of sex acts as porn.
You may draw your line elsewhere.

No, no one wants kids exposed to porn.

@Flounder2022 I think there are plenty or moderate and left wing people who think the government has gotten it wrong on this occasion. You admitted yourself they had the age range wrong. Are we supposed to say nothing at all so, because an anti-vaxxer thinks the same as us on this occasion?

No, just don't use those people to make your point and when their other activities are pointed out, double down and defend them.

True,for you personally.
But it's not up to you if others do.

On a societal level, I suppose you have to respect people enough to decide for themselves what message to take.

You can pass laws against physical interference against other people. But you cant mandate people's thoughts and emotions.

That's the blessings of liberalism. People fight ideas with words, because the only other way to get rid of ideas you don't like is by coercion or violence.

I hope it's at least ok to be grateful that they spotted what was going on and drew attention to it. That doesn't have to mean that you agree with everything they say.
I haven't had time to look into all the groups properly but from a first look, The Education Alliance group don't seem to be racist homophobes?? You didn't say they were but it was sort of implied in your later post? Anti vaxxers (for children) as you said, yes.

If this is 'This Book is Gay', then one problem is that it advocates complete open-mindedness to sexual practices, which can result in girls in particular feeling that they can have no boundaries. Anal sex (which is pretty pointless for women and is also dangerous to them because of less robust tissues in that area)? Bondage? Sado-masochism? Breathless sex? How do they say, 'no' when they have imbibed the idea that objecting is being closed-minded (and thus uncool, old-fashioned, prudish, phobic}? It also enumerates the idea that there are many genders and that sex is mutable. Not a good read for teenagers full of hormones and self-doubt.

@Grammarnut my problem is that any material like this normalises promiscuous sex for both sexes & it's embedding those norms at a very young age..

That would be a mistake. Breastfeeding is important and those who can advocate well for it should be heard (and you can disregard their views on racism, sexual orientation and Covid). One does not always agree with everything that your partners in advocacy for something believe in; it would be odd if one did. E.g. (and this is historical) I agree with William Wilberforce that slavery is wrong, but I do not agree with his views on religion, suffrage etc. Should he not have been listened to when he advocated the end of the Triangular Trade because he did not think that suffrage should be universal?

I agree completely and this is what the book advocates: the embedding as norms of practices that are fetishes and promiscuous.

@1week yes I guess it's your right to amplify the voice of racists and others who discriminate against minorities. I'm appalled any right minded person would mind you.

What do you mean by promiscuous sex? And if you mean having lots of casual sexual partners, what's wrong with that, for consenting adults?

So maybe we should not promote books that explain in detail 'fisting' and anal sex etc to twelve-year-olds? That does rather sound like grooming to me, on a generalised scale, enabling the suggestion that boundaries are 'old-fashioned' or prudish.

No @Grammarnut, there are plenty of people who's views are not abhorrent to me who's message I can share. It will never be a mistake to not give a platform to messages such as these.

I thought after 166 messages we had moved on from thinking this book ‘promoted’ anal fisting to 12 year olds

The Irish Examiner publish a piece today by a paid shill from think tank/propaganda outfit the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, calling parents organising against inappropriate books "astroturfing," along with the general tactic of smearing opponents as "far-right" conspiracists.

Ciaran O'Connor: Manufactured controversy threatens LGBT+ community and library staff, not your children

@Flounder2022 you've just validated my point thank you!
This book is in the young adults section of libraries for children aged 12-17 & was on the Irish schools recommended reading list. These are children & promiscuous sex must never be normalised from age 12 up. Ever!
Consenting adults can do as they please, they are over 18s.

Oh for heavens sake 🙄
Would you stop with this nonsense.
Nobody on this thread is standing up for racism. People are trying to protect their children and sharing their views on what sort of sex education they do or do not think suitable for younger teens.
If a member of those groups you hate said that today was Saturday do you advise we all start arguing about that too and refuse to accept it?

Maybe not, but they are standing up for racists. And the inability to see how these people use the genuine concerns of people For their own end is quite staggering.

@Bláthannabuí I'm not going to continuously make the same point to you as to why informing is not normalising or promoting or pushing or condoning or any of the other ways you want to put it.

The rumour that today is Saturday is a far right trope and it's hard to believe that people are amplifying this message. If you agree that today is Saturday, you're also a far right anti vaxxer, a racist and anti abortion.

Down with that sort of thing! Don't forget groomer & bigot. Terrible parents trying to safeguard their kids instead of farming them out to the state at the age of 12😏

Can you explain how high lighting the inappropriate and sexually explicit nature of Juno Dawson's books serves 'ends' other than getting them pulled?