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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

65 year old man breaks into daycare center.

171 replies

HolyShmoakes · 06/04/2023 14:46

Drinks baby formula, steals nappies and leaves a note and money asking of Staff will play along with his delusions and treat him as a little girl named 'Baby Danielle'

What makes me sick is that he went through the dirty nappy bin.

As a parent that would turn my stomach.

He did this TWICE.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-accused-entering-day-care-expressing-desire-be-baby-girl/A6ZD5ZRSS5GKBDPXZGNCZISQ3U/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook

Man accused of entering day care, expressing desire to be baby girl

Daniel Seeler allegedly left notes and cash at the day care center.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-accused-entering-day-care-expressing-desire-be-baby-girl/A6ZD5ZRSS5GKBDPXZGNCZISQ3U

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 06/04/2023 17:57

It's the no true Scotsman fallacy. Of course not all trans people are dangerous perverts with no respect for other people's feelings or boundaries. "Trans people" is to my mind so broad and diverse a category I can barely see it as useful at all. But the trans people that are disgusting perverts are still also trans people.

Fluffymule · 06/04/2023 18:00

LizzieSiddal · 06/04/2023 17:44

I can’t believe that Grayson Perry photo!! What the fuck. I’ve totally and utterly gone off him. I wonder if anyone at that event said anything to him?!

I've never seen that photo before either.

Grayson Perry can dress however he likes, no issue with that obviously. However the addition of a solid protruding phallus object, particularly coupled with the cartoonish make-up is unsettling.

I think my objection is that if encountering him like that I am exposed to it without consent - almost like being flashed at, if that makes sense?

The fear being, my lack of consent, self-suppression of my response, and socially pressured accommodation of his fetish, is a power play on his part. He is using people who encounter him like that to fuel his gratification.

EpicChaos · 06/04/2023 18:02

Why didn't Mr Seeler just get his mam to write him a little shopping list, tuck some pennies in the note, shove that in one of his mittens and send him to the shop? It would have saved an awful lot of bother and upset for the nursery!

As for Greyson Perry, what do people expect? The pretentious amongst the middle class have spent decades encouraging him.
Anyone with an 'apeth of gumption seeing him turn up like that, would have told him to eff off home and get changed into something more suitable.
And no, Getty images, i do not wish to purchase that picture!

Mollymalone123 · 06/04/2023 18:06

I can’t believe Grayson Perry actually wore that to event? Gone completely off of him now

FOJN · 06/04/2023 18:19

He'll get a sympathetic hearing in court no doubt. There will some sob story to justify his actions and no real penalty as yet again the courts fail to understand the significance of sexual paraphilias when combined with criminality.

Why does he want a bra if he identifies as a baby? The adults men dressing as female children and babies always seem to wear bras.

I'm sick of the kink shaming arguments. Its not kink I'm shaming, it's the sheer fucking narcissism and entitlement which convinces these perverts that I am
a) even remotely interested in their sexual predilections
and
b) obliged to participate by bearing witness to their degeneracy.

Here's the Sheila Jefferies on nappy fetishism.

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:31

I'm very confused,

What does this have to do with trans people???

Flowerly · 06/04/2023 18:35

nauticant · 06/04/2023 16:17

Yeah. The shame was the whole fucking point tho. Shame is the kink for many, just ask Grayson Perry.

Perry has been involved for a long time helping kink be inserted into places where it most certainly shouldn't be present, such as a charitable event on behalf of children with cancer (this is is NSFW image):

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/artist-grayson-perry-arrives-at-the-childrens-cancer-news-photo/73686429

WTAF is this? FFS.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/04/2023 18:36

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:31

I'm very confused,

What does this have to do with trans people???

He identifies as a girl

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:38

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/04/2023 18:36

He identifies as a girl

So because he used the word "identifies" that means this is clearly trans people's fault???

Tillytrotter67 · 06/04/2023 18:43

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Sodd · 06/04/2023 18:52

Mollymalone123 · 06/04/2023 18:06

I can’t believe Grayson Perry actually wore that to event? Gone completely off of him now

Me too.

KalimbaMoon · 06/04/2023 19:00

Daycare man is a pervert. That is one kink that deserves to be shamed and called out all day long. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children, and nobody should ever play along with his sick fantasies.

As for Grayson Perry, I’m shocked he wore that. I always thought he was harmless and decent enough, if a little creepy with the 70s Wurzel Gummidge hair. I am now well and truly clutching my pearls. Just repulsive, crass and screamingly inappropriate.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 06/04/2023 19:01

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:31

I'm very confused,

What does this have to do with trans people???

he's a girl baby not a boy baby?

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 06/04/2023 19:04

@bathy baby danielle apparently likes to wear dresses and bras and according to the stonewall trans umbrella criteria - cross dresser girls name etc = trans

GailBlancheViola · 06/04/2023 19:05

Bathhy · 06/04/2023 18:38

So because he used the word "identifies" that means this is clearly trans people's fault???

Self-ID means exactly that, a person self identifies as a girl then they are a girl and to say otherwise is transphobic.

It is the fault of all those who are pushing the Gender Ideology Agenda which is insistent on self-id, acceptance without exception, everyone is who or what they say they are, a number of whom are trans. Everything is acceptable, nothing is off limits - everything is under that big old umbrella which Stonewall and every other organisation pushing the trans/GI agenda use, it's promoted at Pride events.

Take it up with them.

Melroses · 06/04/2023 19:16

Urghhh - what has been unleashed upon us 🙄

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2023 19:18

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/04/2023 15:16

It feels like every day I’m reading about horrific fetishistic men imposing themselves on the rest of society? There are so many things that men develop fetishes about that boggle my mind.

Have there always been perverse men like this in the world but they were kept in check by social mores or has our 'easy access to pornography + anything goes + internet’ culture created more of them?

Agreed. Back in the day if you wanted to access extreme porn it mean going into a sex shop on a local street and literally crossing a line into a back room or asking for some "under the counter" material.
Now it's easily accessible and promoted by the useful idiots with zero understanding of boundaries or age appropriateness . And as for that Grayson Perry photo - at a children's charity event. Presumably chosen deliberately.

Windingdown · 06/04/2023 19:46

I like Grayson Perry. I've read his autobiography and followed his work. I thought he understood women enough to realise just how upsetting and dominating this image would be.

LizzieSiddal · 06/04/2023 20:03

That pic of Perry is from 2007, not that it makes any difference to how I now feel about him, but I would hope someone would tell him to fuck off if he did that today.

https://twitter.com/KaeleyT/status/1643006342582644737

https://twitter.com/KaeleyT/status/1643006342582644737

KalimbaMoon · 06/04/2023 20:45

LizzieSiddal · 06/04/2023 20:03

That pic of Perry is from 2007, not that it makes any difference to how I now feel about him, but I would hope someone would tell him to fuck off if he did that today.

https://twitter.com/KaeleyT/status/1643006342582644737

So he would have been around 47… and still he chose to wear that. A grown man dressing like a pervert in plain sight at a children’s cancer charity event. I am shocked he got away with it, even back in 2007. I’ll never look at him in the same light now.

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2023 20:55

I'm not imaging it am I? The rate at which these things are happening it's escalating isn't it?

raspberrywine · 06/04/2023 20:59

Boiled. No you're not imagining it. It's ratcheting up, for sure. It's like they want to get all the depravity out there as fast as possible.

Fluffymule · 06/04/2023 21:08

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2023 20:55

I'm not imaging it am I? The rate at which these things are happening it's escalating isn't it?

I think the other side of this is that there is more reporting of it now too.

Media have seen the engagement they get from such reporting and will have the analytics that drive their story focus - for example rise in subscriptions and traffic for papers like The Times or magazines like The Spectator when they began prioritising column inches in this area and brought on-board new writers, often moving from competing papers.

These stories are now being told, whereas before I suspect they were suppressed or ignored.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 06/04/2023 21:27

LizzieSiddal · 06/04/2023 17:44

I can’t believe that Grayson Perry photo!! What the fuck. I’ve totally and utterly gone off him. I wonder if anyone at that event said anything to him?!

I never liked him
I always saw him for what he is
Hiding in plain sight

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:27

Fluffymule · 06/04/2023 18:00

I've never seen that photo before either.

Grayson Perry can dress however he likes, no issue with that obviously. However the addition of a solid protruding phallus object, particularly coupled with the cartoonish make-up is unsettling.

I think my objection is that if encountering him like that I am exposed to it without consent - almost like being flashed at, if that makes sense?

The fear being, my lack of consent, self-suppression of my response, and socially pressured accommodation of his fetish, is a power play on his part. He is using people who encounter him like that to fuel his gratification.

That is the crux of so many parts of the queer ideology and critical theory in practice: that someone from the 'vulnerable' group is entitled to use others as non consenting props in their self view and fulfilment, and this extends to in many cases including their sexual activities.

There is little difference between male people raiding sanitary bins to put still warm tampons up their bum, and male people raiding nurseries for dirty nappies.

If we sympathise with a male person who would like others to view them as a woman and undress and share a shower with them as if they were a woman - with any woman not sharing the perception that they are a woman or expressing boundaries and concerns with this being a 'bigot' and committing a hate crime, what is the difference with a person who would like others to view them as a preschooler and permit them to attend a preschool with - oh lord what word to choose - 'cis' children?? and for staff to provide the same care including feeding and nappy changes?