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Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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IwantToRetire · 03/04/2023 00:30

The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

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AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:06

How have we spiralled off into small boats and bombers now??

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:08

What a shitshow. He was really determined to break the rules and con his way, abusing the process.

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:09

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:06

How have we spiralled off into small boats and bombers now??

At least they are within SB’s remit.

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:10

True. Bit of a derail though.

Policing is also in SBs remit, perhaps she could look into why victims of sexual offences are failed so badly 🤔

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:11

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:10

True. Bit of a derail though.

Policing is also in SBs remit, perhaps she could look into why victims of sexual offences are failed so badly 🤔

By all means

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2023 17:12

Jonei · 04/04/2023 16:16

Do you have any view as to why it is suddenly important to resolve this now?
Might it perhaps be related to a Conservative Party constituency meeting in Fareham tomorrow evening

I already said, I don't care about the reasons why. If that's the reason why, I don't care. If it's not the reason and there's another reason. I also do not care. Why is that not sinking in for you?

I just want the problem dealt with.
That's it. That's all I care about.

I just want the problem dealt with.
That's it. That's all I care about.

Sorry to tell you this Jonei, but SB is not going to do anything to deal with the problem of grooming gangs.

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2023 17:12

I just want the problem dealt with.
That's it. That's all I care about.

Sorry to tell you this Jonei, but SB is not going to do anything to deal with the problem of grooming gangs.

I hope you are wrong

Boogismyname · 04/04/2023 17:14

LunaNorth · 03/04/2023 06:00

Sorry, Suella Braverman is a Buddhist?

Actually practising?

If so, she needs to practise a bit harder. Bloody hell.

LOL you ain't wrong.

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Who was talking about the direction of insults earlier?

Jonei · 04/04/2023 17:23

Just pointing out facts. 🤷‍♀️

Jonei · 04/04/2023 17:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2023 17:18

Who was talking about the direction of insults earlier?

Yeah you're right actually. Sorry about that. I'm sure you're not boring and repetitive at all in the real world. 👍

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:43

There was I, clicking on the link in good faith and look at the strap line

“All our home secretary gives us is baseless prejudice”

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:45

Sorry, just read a bit further and thought. O fuck off dip shit.

I don’t like thickos mouthing off and not qualifying their claims, even if the guardian sees fit to print their words.

Maybe I’ll try for take 3.

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:46

Dr Ella Cockbain is an associate professor in security and crime science at University College London, and research group lead on human trafficking, smuggling and exploitation

Bit harsh to call her a thicko tbh

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:49

1/2 a million children estimated abused each year
100,000 reports
Yet Braverman focuses on the "large numbers" into the 1000's.

If she stops all of that with her new policy, whatever it may be, even with an optimistic view of the stats, 95% of child sexual abuse will still happen.

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:49

Right. I skimmed it for a third try, didn’t get to the end. She sounds like an annoying teenager making a load of unsubstantiated claims. If she actually made any useful suggestions @AdamRyan could you please pick them out and quote them in the thread.

Thanks.

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:51

Last para:
"The government should fund services properly, and finally invest in a regular national prevalence survey on child sexual abuse. That is vital to gather better information about risk and protective factors, the scale of child sexual abuse, different contexts of abuse, victims’ support needs, and more. Such insights are desperately needed to inform more effective strategy, enable much more focused prevention and disruption, and better support all victims and survivors."

Howpo · 04/04/2023 17:55

NotHavingIt · 04/04/2023 16:48

If you want radical action, then you need to stop moaning when radical action is suggested. I understand that Australia has completely stopped their small boat problem by sending migrants first to Papaua New Guinea.

Sorry you re on the wrong thread, this is about Braverman grooming gangs...

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 18:00

AdamRyan · 04/04/2023 17:51

Last para:
"The government should fund services properly, and finally invest in a regular national prevalence survey on child sexual abuse. That is vital to gather better information about risk and protective factors, the scale of child sexual abuse, different contexts of abuse, victims’ support needs, and more. Such insights are desperately needed to inform more effective strategy, enable much more focused prevention and disruption, and better support all victims and survivors."

Interestingly, I just did take 4, and agree that her take is that we need better regular research to form a good picture.

Howpo · 04/04/2023 18:02

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 17:49

Right. I skimmed it for a third try, didn’t get to the end. She sounds like an annoying teenager making a load of unsubstantiated claims. If she actually made any useful suggestions @AdamRyan could you please pick them out and quote them in the thread.

Thanks.

If you read what she wrote, you would not need them highlighting, she has given several suggestions and references.

Why is it when an Expert or a victim of grooming gangs speaks out, some people know better than them?

Sure you can disagree but to call them a "thicko" ! Is that how you respond to reasoned debate?

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 18:05

Howpo · 04/04/2023 18:02

If you read what she wrote, you would not need them highlighting, she has given several suggestions and references.

Why is it when an Expert or a victim of grooming gangs speaks out, some people know better than them?

Sure you can disagree but to call them a "thicko" ! Is that how you respond to reasoned debate?

I don’t find people who go

claim, claim, claim, claim, assertion, assertion, claim, arbitrary stat, claim, assertion, claim, claim, claim, opinion, ….

…for paragraph after paragraph, without justifying the claims as they go, to sound pretty juvanile.

EndlessTea · 04/04/2023 18:06

Sorry for the ‘don’t’ That shouldn’t be there

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