Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

Jesus, accusing a poster of being a sex abuser because you don’t agree with their point is really fucking low.

Oh, you’re hard of phrasing.

And you think all of that absolute conjecture is appropriate to throw at another poster based on what? That they have a different opinion to you? That they have a male user name? It’s way over the top.

What a load of hyperbole.
If I walked in the street tomorrow and showed a cartoon of Muhammed to my neighbour, i would not be in fear of my life.

That will of course depend upon who your neighbour is.

Well, given that my “priorities” are that victims should be prioritised and believed, that innocent people shouldn’t be targeted with divisive language and grooming gangs should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and beyond, there’s surely not much to criticise. Unless your reading skills are as good as mine. 😉

We are not allowed to talk about the underfunding of the criminal justice system on this thread.

If British values, are so important, and is British culture, how come I have more in common with my Pakistani, Japanese, French, German and American friends that I do with British posters on this thread?

So what? doesn't make you right, thats just your interpretation, not mine or many other people and it is very much the point of this thread by the OP.

Just listening to a Pakistani News reporter on GMB this morning and the amount of hate he has received after Bravermans words on Pakistani male culture, mainly from Hindu's, she of course knew her words would stoke division, she has history for using divisive and dangerously untrue language and knows the tensions between the various religions in that part of the world and of course the UK, she choses her words very carefully and knows their impact.

Her's was an opinion piece, read by millions, a few weeks before local council elections - not a Topic up for Discussion for politics degree.

Not much tolerance has been shown on this thread when I have posted facts.

Re innocent people being targeted I don’t think that follows

Criminals in gangs have been discussed. Either in the op or by those linking to other male criminals

All those mentioned are not innocent, they have committed crimes

Apparently tolerance is a British value.

I always thought British values were recognised as tolerance, fairness and justice. I thought we were proud of our role in WW2 standing against the persecution of a race

They maybe aspirational values but they are certainly not the reality of the modern UK.
3 years for a rape trail, 1% of rapes get to court, 2 years for a child sex abuse case.
Fairness? don't make me laugh! a dear friends has just received a section 21 2no fault eviction" notice, after 21 years as a faultless tenant, that this can be done is an utter disgrace.
Tolerance? i think we can see by this thread there is little.

You nor i did not stand up for anything in WW2 and we got dragged into WW2 kicking and screaming, the UK in the early to mid 30s supported Hitler, despite knowing his persecution of various groups in Germany, indeed even as late as 1938, we also refused to take 1000s of Jews fleeing mainland Europe.

That racial hatred continued, legally, in to the 50s and 60s and is alive and kicking to this very day.

Those that dislike the values here have you lived anywhere else?

Fareham is not like Rotherham. Rotherham is up north.

Which values are we disliking?
The intolerance and casual racism that is rife in the UK today?

People can define it as they want but those that see more negatives have you lived anywhere else?

I used to live in London amoung other places. Now I just need to understand what values I am meant to be disliking?
London felt safe except on football matchdays when large crowds of drunk men would gather.

As i said "Aspirational Values" no where has anyone said these values are "disliked"

But yes having lived in a few different countries, i think you find pretty much everywhere, leaders will say we support Tolerance Fairness Justice etc etc

I think quite recently Putin has spoken about Russian similar values.

These statements are not unique to the UK.

So that’s a no from one and yes from another.

I think people need to give it a go. Get the skills needed and try another culture.

If you have lived in another country which one was it and was it free from the issues (on immigration for example) that you see here?

What if I discover that much like in the UK there are people whose value and culture align with mine and people's whose value and culture does not?

This isn't really a thread about comparisons between different countries and their values.

Try a different "Culture" ? is that code for xxxx off if you don't like the UK? is that an example of "British Tolerance" ?

I don’t know what you’ll discover that’s down to you.

I recommend it. A new culture and better understanding of people I’d say is likely.

This doesn’t make sense and is an odd reaction.

Do you also think as pp that countries don’t have their own culture, do you think they are all the same?