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Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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IwantToRetire · 03/04/2023 00:30

The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

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Notonthestairs · 06/04/2023 07:56

It's not enough to say we prize "justice" as if that automatically means the legal system is functioning as it ought to - it requires constant attention.

I don't think anyone can read this from the Bar Council and think we should be resting on our laurels.

www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/access-to-justice-can-t-survive-further-budget-cuts-new-report-from-the-bar-council.html

Add to that reports of institutional racism within the Met, struggles in the prison & probation services.

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:01

So what? doesn't make you right, thats just your interpretation, not mine or many other people and it is very much the point of this thread by the OP. I’ve given it many times over so I don’t know why you keep asking!!! Right. Why go over and over the fact we think of it differently? It’s pretty standard in an article/essay that you introduce the topic in the first paragraph and elaborate on it throughout the rest of the piece. It’s basic stuff.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:03

Also if people were encouraging their dds to move countries would Pakistan be included, if not why not?

Just realised this is on the feminism board, too much concern re men in gangs being unfairly targeted rather than centering on women and girls first

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:03

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 07:50

I don’t know what you’ll discover that’s down to you.

I recommend it. A new culture and better understanding of people I’d say is likely.

Well in Pakistan and Japan I discovered welcoming tolerant people who shared my values and are equally disugusted at the othering of groups of people.

How about you?

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:03

London felt safe except on football matchdays when large crowds of drunk men would gather

Well you must of lived in a very nice area because that’s not how I felt living there.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:05

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:03

Also if people were encouraging their dds to move countries would Pakistan be included, if not why not?

Just realised this is on the feminism board, too much concern re men in gangs being unfairly targeted rather than centering on women and girls first

Why wouldn't one move to Pakistan?
In my experience the people are generous, tolerant and welcoming.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:06

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:03

London felt safe except on football matchdays when large crowds of drunk men would gather

Well you must of lived in a very nice area because that’s not how I felt living there.

It was a great place to live. Did not really feel unsafe, excepting as I say on football match days.

I lived in Dalston and Stamford Hill, which are I am sure you agree very nice areas.

PorcelinaV · 06/04/2023 08:07

LexMitior · 05/04/2023 22:55

The thing about Braverman and her predecessor is that I think their ideas about British values are just horseshit. Truly.

I can't fathom these people because they say "British Values" and then declaim many aspects of the law in England which are fundamental to fair treatment or their endorsement of the death penalty. Those particular ideas don't seem to me to be very "British". They are things we have moved on from. We should actually be proud of not executing people or having written the ECHR.

These "British Values" seem odd. I'm all for prosecuting crime and did so for years. We just don't need to be like this to do it.

The criminal justice system needs money, the police need reform, and vulnerable young women need help, not a lot of claptrap about a Taskforce. These are long term issues which this "British Values" government could have addressed a decade ago.

What are you talking about?

The Tory Party in general doesn't support the death penalty. I mean the leadership anyway.

The British public does support the death penalty going off a lot of the polling.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/03/30/britons-dont-tend-support-death-penalty-until-you-

I don't know if that's enough to make it a "British value" but we certainly haven't moved past it on the level of our values.

Britons don’t tend to support the death penalty… until you name the worst crimes | YouGov

Britons don’t tend to support the death penalty… until you name the worst crimes.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/03/30/britons-dont-tend-support-death-penalty-until-you-

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:08

People don’t need to make stuff up if they have only lived in U.K. it’s fine to admit it.

Maybe why it looks like aibu. The filler nonsense posts and no thought to women and girls first.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:09

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:08

People don’t need to make stuff up if they have only lived in U.K. it’s fine to admit it.

Maybe why it looks like aibu. The filler nonsense posts and no thought to women and girls first.

You are right, I did make up that Fareham is different from Rotherham, I have no idea if they are.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:09

That said, Rotherham is different from Bolton.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:09

Rotherham is up north.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:15

Thread nearly over. Overtaken by some with the usual but some good discussion when not.

Notonthestairs · 06/04/2023 08:15

"no thought to women and girls first."

My point was we can't put victims first with a justice system (police, prosecutors, defence, prisons, probation and the fabric of the courts) that is withered and crumbling from all angles.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:17

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:15

Thread nearly over. Overtaken by some with the usual but some good discussion when not.

I see you don't want to discuss my experiences of living in other countries.

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:17

Notonthestairs · 06/04/2023 08:15

"no thought to women and girls first."

My point was we can't put victims first with a justice system (police, prosecutors, defence, prisons, probation and the fabric of the courts) that is withered and crumbling from all angles.

We are not allowed to discuss this, on this thread. It is banned.

EndlessTea · 06/04/2023 08:17

"Challenging extremist ideology should not be limited to proscribed organisations but should also cover domestic extremists operating below the terrorism threshold who can create an environment conducive to terrorism," he said.
He also said there had been a "double standard", with the definition of extremist Islamist ideology too narrow and the approach to the extreme right-wing too broad, drawing in mainstream, "mildly controversial" commentary.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-counter-terrorism-strategy-needs-refocus-islamism-review-2023-02-08/

UK counter-terrorism strategy needs to refocus on Islamism -review

Britain's counter-terrorism programme "Prevent" must refocus its efforts more on the threat posed by militant Islamism after becoming too concerned with right-wing extremism, an independent review of the often-criticised strategy concluded on Wednesday...

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-counter-terrorism-strategy-needs-refocus-islamism-review-2023-02-08/

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:19

I can’t take what you post seriously, ever really. And it’s a shame threads are overtaken as they are.

I’m sure others do want to hear from you though. You can post to them.

EndlessTea · 06/04/2023 08:22

jgw1 · 06/04/2023 08:05

Why wouldn't one move to Pakistan?
In my experience the people are generous, tolerant and welcoming.

It might be all the murdered newborn girls on rubbish dumps that give people the heeby-jeebies.

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:22

Watching someone behave childishly over and over on this thread, minimise what happened to girls in Rotherham Rochdale Telford… it’s just honestly disgusting. Repeatedly suggesting we should prioritise the hurt feelings of men over the actual crimes committed, and as police say still going on, against girls is truly disappointing on a feminist board.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2023 08:26

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:22

Watching someone behave childishly over and over on this thread, minimise what happened to girls in Rotherham Rochdale Telford… it’s just honestly disgusting. Repeatedly suggesting we should prioritise the hurt feelings of men over the actual crimes committed, and as police say still going on, against girls is truly disappointing on a feminist board.

They do it on a fair few threads.

Usually more Aibu than FWR but they’ll do it anyway

Whaeanui · 06/04/2023 08:28

I can imagine, seems like it’s a full time job. To do it on a thread like this is low. Really low.

beastlyslumber · 06/04/2023 08:30

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