Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

..and unfortunately for you, neither does an actual victim of the grooming gangs in Rotherham, as she doesn't agree with you either and thats after meeting Braverman, she also is so boring.

So predictable that thread after thread, its those on the right of politics that when challenged either disappear or throw insults.

This seems a key point

I have tried many times to discuss what might be effective in helping to stop grooming gangs such as returning funding of vital services such as the Criminal Justice System, Schools, child protection services and so on to pre 2010 levels, but alas no one has wanted to have that discussion.

Would you like to start now?

Do you have any view as to why it is suddenly important to resolve this now?
Might it perhaps be related to a Conservative Party constituency meeting in Fareham tomorrow evening?

So predictable that thread after thread, its those on the right of politics that when challenged either disappear or throw insults.

Stop assuming where I stand on politics. How could you possibly know? the insults on this board are from one direction. It is boring to repeat yourself for hours on end assuming what people think about this government because they disagree with you on this article and her intentions. It’s hilarious to me anyone would call me right wing, except we’re on the internet where people get labelled all the time without knowing each other. You’re insulting me by making these assumptions. The accusations or implications of racism are particularly offensive given I’m Maori and a long-time rights activist.

I'm not "on the right" and I don't live in a Tory council area; quite the contrary It is so tedious that the best people can come up with is the old Left versus Right schtick.

I suggest most people who post on here are middle class people with university degrees.However, If you actually listen to what people are saying 'on the streets' ( the people that the Left says they represent) they tend to have a far more down to earth, pragmatic and even hard line stance than you might approve of.The people living in communities in which failed asylum seekers have been placed, and the people living in communities wracked by criminal gangs.

Do you have any view as to why it is suddenly important to resolve this now?
Might it perhaps be related to a Conservative Party constituency meeting in Fareham tomorrow evening

I already said, I don't care about the reasons why. If that's the reason why, I don't care. If it's not the reason and there's another reason. I also do not care. Why is that not sinking in for you?

I just want the problem dealt with.
That's it. That's all I care about.

If this thread was about whether or not I thought this announcement will do much to bring child abusers to justice sooner, no because of the issues with delays in the court system and policing shortages. But this thread is meant to be about her article and whether or not she should have written what she did. Someone could start a different thread on the actual announcement and if it will be effective.

I don’t have a degree 😬 also working class.

If you could stick to what is within Suella Braveman’s powers within the constraints set by the Chancellor and the PM, to do about the grooming gangs, then I would be interested in having that conversation here.

For example, there is nothing she can do about the way schools are funded, so it would be a bit of a derail.

If you had a suggestion that was so imaginative, original and persuasive, that it warranted the deviation from Suella Braveman’s actual powers, I’d be interest in that.

But I am not particularly interested in sweeping statements or wild blue sky thinking.

The OP said this in their closing paragraph

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited

Also talked about British Values, Braverman also backed up the article with her interview on Sky.

I'm sorry but imho the how's and why's of Braverman's aims are very important, anyone can mouth off, as proven on this very thread..... Braverman is rather different in that she has power, i want to see what she will DO with it, as @Jonei says, we ve all waited a long time under many Govt's to finally see action on this.

But unless she & Sunak tackle policing, justice system and a host of other problems, this will just get kicked into touch.

@EndlessTea Sunak backed up Braverman, its very much within their gift to change a great many things, not just HO stuff.

Its all part of the same discussion.

I mean, I've made some suggestions as to how I'd tackle "grooming gangs" that don't involve targeting particular ethnicities.

Rape myths - reinforce that what someone is endearing or if they were drunk/drugged is irrelevant to if they were raped

Stop forcing victims to be cross examined as if they were the criminal

Get rid of the bar of "likelihood of conviction" for charging rapes

Fund the justice system so victims don't have to wait for years for cases to go through court

Don't even contemplate anonymity for alleged offenders

Fund sexual assault investigation teams and CID in police forces properly so they can do their jobs

There is a hierarchical nature to their relationship and if she agreed to deliver her work in on budget when accepting the role, then she puts her post at risk if she is seen as unable to manage it.

If you want radical action, then you need to stop moaning when radical action is suggested. I understand that Australia has completely stopped their small boat problem by sending migrants first to Papaua New Guinea.

Offshore processing

• Australia's policy was to send people arriving by boat to detention centres - in Papua New Guinea and the Pacific island of Nauru. Migrants were offered return to their home countries, and recognised refugees were offered resettlement in another one. As boats have stopped arriving, no-one has been sent offshore since 2014

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64898507

I can't help but wonder why failed asylum seekers are not deported, does anyone have any idea?
I equally can't help but wonder why communities are more wracked by criminal gangs now that before.

Could it perhaps be due to the systematic underfunding of public services for the past 13 years?

The title of this thread is Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs who organise child sex abuse. It's OK to call bullshit on her empty words. Why should we not criticise SB and the Tories on their appalling record?

Members of the government have no say in the way schools are funded?
Is that because they are only there to tend the pot plants like Boris in no 10?

They are first sent to places such as the city in which I live to give them an opportunity to appeal.

The gangs in my city don't care whether it is a Labour or Tory government. They don't watch the news and they most likley don't vote, either.

Because But Jeremy Corbyn.

Nothavingit, the Tories have always made things more difficult in those areas that have the temerity to elect non Conservative councils.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/liverpool-hospital-bombing-asylum-claim-syria-b1999388.html

I 'm not buying that any more. Labour did nothing for my city. It even cancelled the proposed tram scheme and left the city off HS2.