Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights

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In The Times

Seems like he's done a strategic U turn. I bet at least he's glad he can stop dodging the "what is a woman?" question.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6841074a-d0a9-11ed-85a8-caaa67d15364?shareToken=2360ce9b239c4fae805bc8364adaea73

I just think it's the same arrogance that lost Labour the Red Wall.

Dismissing a point of view as bigoted or unimportant and totally failing to address it, totally undid them at the last election. They haven't learned their lesson.

I concur.

No institution has, despite always claiming to, in response to destroying other peoples lives.

Fwiw, Starmer is fully clued up legally. KC and all that.

He should know backwards what's in the 2004 GRA and the 2010 Equality Act...it was his party, and his PM idol that formulated them.

He wants to float his new plans, and has had all these interviews, and made announcements on Twitter etc.

He needs women's votes.

And yet he STILL doesn't flesh out exactly what he's planning.

What's he afraid of? That Sunak will steal his thunder and go on to propose a more nuanced version of his plans?

That he doesn't know what they are yet?

That he wants to only show the beef when the manifestos are released?

If he wants to promote him and his party as absolute champions of women AND trans, and control the narrative, he needs to set out in detail right now, with 12 months plus time to go, what the party proposes to do in power, and what it absolutely promises to absolutely not do.

Oh, I forgot... no-one on the doorstep is asking him about any of this, so he doesn't feel he has to. These Qs in the media are just distractions.

What's he afraid of? His own party I think. And in all fairness, looking at his colleagues and workers - some of them in senior positions - I would say he has good reason. I think the only thing that might make him feel secure enough to take them on would be a comfortable majority.

Hear, Hear! I don't believe a word Starmer says - once Labour get in we'll have self-id and stupid laws letting junior rapists off custodial sentances like the crap situation in Scotland at the moment. Labour terrifies me at the moment. It really does.

Had the UK NHS staff, Teachers and police stood up sooner we wouldn't be jn the situation we are in.

https://gript.ie/garda-commissioner-withdraws-gender-pronoun-plan-after-backlash/

Those captured by this elite lib way of thinking are everywhere in his party and in organisations, there is very little diversity of view or person in these spaces (partly because everyone else has been driven out) and a belief that it is righteous to use power to impose values on the great unwashed. Enormous snobbery and viewing those outside of the gang not only without respect but with active disdain shading to dehumanisation is also rife in this group.

Hence the EHRC just commenting on Twitter that to clarify sex in the Equalities Act would be helpful, but shouldn't be done without extreme caution and advice because it would disadvantage trans people. Which pretty much confirms that a) everyone else is being disadvantaged on the basis of sex, and b) this is ok because righteousness.

The problem is not left, or right, the problem is critical theory. And those soaked in it.

maltravers · Today 00:32

The tories are making low key GC moves, but not seeking to make political capital. Why?

I suspect that they are keeping their powder dry, until the election is closer. They don't want it to burn out in a few weeks now and be old hat, come next May.

I don't think this is a "low GC move"

Badenoch considers same-sex space legal protections for biological women

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/32012712-d2ef-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502?shareToken=ef0ad58ac072a99f00ec4e5288f9a7b6

Well I for one am grateful that Keir, the living embodiment of the manly man who votes to share his views meme, has decided to bring some common sense into the debate to help all us silly, ignorant mummies, no wonder he's so exasperated! I know people keep saying he's intelligent but I really don't see any evidence of that, quite the opposite.

if I am correct he is saying there are approx 35000 women in the uk with a penis . Do you think the NHS are aware of this phenomenon ?

wonder what political demographic they are ?

He was very patronising, why should we poor women be worried about our rights and being obliterated from the English language ?

It’s 48,000 TW in England and Wales as per the 2021 Census. Plus 48,000 TM.

thanks for that info .

I disagree with the “low key” moves. The Tories are facing in the right direction but still have some way to go. Last I heard only 50% of their MPs were openly GC, some way up from 6 years ago when it was just David TC Davis MP with his head above the parapet, and some remain very TWAW.

It is step by step. Everything is so captured. Commissioning Cass was important. Appointing Kishwer Faulkner as Chair of the EHRC. Kemi as women’s minister. Rishi’s confirmation that he knows what a woman is. Gender bollox came up on us very fast, but is everywhere. So many people in so many occupations have had EDI training, effectively taught that you are risking your career if you speak up. All out war is not sensible, not given the extent of media capture. The Guardian would like nothing more than the chance to talk about “evil Tory bigots”.

Instead it will be a combination of science (Cass, research emerging from Scandinavia etc), lawsuits here but also in the US, Government pushing (the NHS is a tanker impossible to turn round quickly, as are many schools/Universities), and voters/public opinion.

Public opinion did for Sturgeon. Starmer risks the same. The vast majority of people know what a woman is. Voters also do not like liars. My canvassing - I think we are going overboard, but it has the benefit of keeping my step count up - suggests that the Bring back Boris faction within the Tories have got it completely wrong. He is not trusted, and is a reason why some traditional Tories are saying they don’t know who to vote for. But equally Starmer is not trusted. People are not specific but it is clear that there are plenty of former Labour voters, perhaps put off by Corbyn who are not yet won over by Starmer. Every time I have mentioned gender (my normal pitch is about parks and potholes) people are well informed.