Keir Starmer - Trans Rights Can't Override Women's Rights

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In The Times

Seems like he's done a strategic U turn. I bet at least he's glad he can stop dodging the "what is a woman?" question.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6841074a-d0a9-11ed-85a8-caaa67d15364?shareToken=2360ce9b239c4fae805bc8364adaea73

In his younger years as a top lawyer he would have the logic to see the trap that one day this ideology would make him an international laughing stock that he now is. I am just about average IQ with brain damage and a neurodivergent brain and it was immediately obvious to me.

All women will have penis, because the people formerly called women have a new name, generally menstruator but for those that dont menstruate for whatever reason, cervix owner and for those who neither menstruate or have a cervix some other name will happen, maybe old hag or dragon, harpy, crone something like that.

I take LidlChocolate's point that we're far too squeamish sometimes about confronting our inevitable decline and mortality (if that is the point?). But I don't think Starmer's intellect is the problem here. I think his problem is that - along with pretty much every Labour leader since Blair - he is not in control of his party, and that includes his deputy and his comms team.

KS isn't playing with words or trying to pull the wool over our eyes, he confirmed on LBC this morning that indeed some women have a penis. He said for the 'vast majority' it's about biology but he is trying to bring a 'common sense proposition' and a 'respectable' discussion. He is not prepared to ignore those women who have a penis evidently. He mentioned the 99.9% but that's just an example number, could be different.

Lastly he said that this just isn't important, never raised when Labour are out campaigning.

If you want a listen it's on Nick Ferrari this morning at about 2 hrs 31 in.

Looks like this isn't being talked about enough on the doorstep ladies, perhaps we need to make Kier a bit more aware by raising it and emailing our local Labour candidate.

I hope he realises his mistake when it’s too late

As did Sturgeon, and to a lower extent Penny M

The wise cowardly MPs are the ones sitting with Risie Duffield agreeing with her in anonymity, who never ran for leadership at this time because they knew this would happen and looking at idiots like Streeting who lead this stuff in Labour- making fools of themselves.

Maybe Starmer is not in decline and has a AGP type fethism about the world laughing at him saying women have a penis?

Barristers have to argue whatever case they are given. That is what Kier is trying to do - argue the gender ideology case. I wonder if he has really stopped to think if he believes in what he is arguing.

Brains do slow as we age but this is offset by experience and knowledge. At some point though the slowing brain outweighs the benefit of experience. This is normally older than 60 but I would say Biden has clearly passed that point.

If he had some intelligence he surely would see the massive huge, ginormous mistake hes making, not even with the some women have a penis shtick, but the no control of his party. I'd expect at least most of the time for a leader to have some clue how to lead his party if he wants to lead an entire country.

I can only assume it is cowardice. Which again hardly bodes well to lead the country, make difficult decisions, be a man in power.

Lastly he said that this just isn't important, never raised when Labour are out campaigning.

This statement has been frequently rolled out and has equally frequently been contradicted by doorstep campaigners. But the ideologically captured campaigners just dismiss those individuals as transphobes and won’t feed it back.

A coward wouldn't want the world laughing at them unless they were a comedian, I have never seen Keir tell any kind of joke, the man is now a joke.

A coward would be sitting in solidarity and anonymous with Rosie Duffield not going to the media announcing a woman has a penis, that's what someone with a mind not working as well as it one did or Angela Rayner - would do.

If he had some intelligence he surely would see the massive huge, ginormous mistake hes making, not even with the some women have a penis shtick, but the no control of his party. I'd expect at least most of the time for a leader to have some clue how to lead his party if he wants to lead an entire country.

Yes you would think so but can anyone name me a Labour leader from the last 50 years, other than Tony Blair, who's been in control of their party? It seems to be a problem that's as old as modern politics.

Your first point is spot on.

A prosecution barrister will argue that the defendant is guilty even while having strong doubts about the evidence.

A defence barrister in a criminal case will argue that his/her client is not guilty, even when believing strongly that the client is, in fact, guilty.

It's what they do. It's ingrained. Note that Starmer was a criminal defence barrister primarily.

Time to get used to this settling narrative.

Starmer doesn't want to, or can't (I'm still not sure which) go to the position we would mostly here want.

The policy will be that of course biological women don't have tackle, but there's a very small number (he used to say 0.5% but now settling on 0.1%) that ID as TW, and of course possess said tackle.

And that women's spaces will be protected, but the 0.1% must also have protections. And that he and the party will update the GRA to make these protections more, well, protective.

Throw in beefed up hate laws to crack down on violence against women...the 99.9% without tackle and the 0.1% with said tackle.

And that trans youth will be protected from bias and phobia by extending conversion ban to them.

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Whatever you think of Starmer, he walks everyday into shadow cabinet meetings with two close colleagues with trans children, his inner circle are all TWAW, other than Rosie, there is no TRA dissent, and GC Labour women MPs are too fearful to pipe up.

This means that the whole Labour Party is now about threading the trans message thread thru the extremely tight eye of the electoral needle.

Starmer is intelligent enough to know from Sturgeons experience that he cannot go gung ho to Self ID...that can wait until 2028.

But for 2024, I believe this will now be the settled message.

And I truly believe the vast majority of female voters will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Lastly he said that this just isn't important, never raised when Labour are out campaigning.

Fuck me, this really boils my piss.

They say that it's not an issue because no-one is raising it on doorsteps but those that DO raise it are ignored or shut down. How can you hear when you've got your fingers in your ears while you shout, "LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

He signed a pledge saying that Labour would implememt Self ID.

But because of what happened in Scotland with the GRR and to Nicola Sturgeon, and the fact that this issue is simply gaining more prominence, he is now suggesting that " we have to take the public with us" - by which he means he still wants to implement Self Id but it might take a while longer than some had hoped.

He still seems to think that he's going to be able to make it all go away......and he'll deal with it further down the line. Head in sand as usual. But because he knows that women's issues are important he's putting all of his eggs into the 'tackling violence against women and girls' and maybe into better menopause provision.

The Labour party now has a fundamental cognitive dissonance when it comes to sex based rights and to women and girls. It is one that they cannot ignore, but one that they also cannot even begin to resolve until they commit to reality and the recognition of biological sex.

LidlChocolate it your theory were to make sense then why is it the young who have principally fallen for this claptrap? Including younger world leaders?

Because it is the natural end point of the kind of feminism that suggests there are no differences between men and women - the sort of 'equality' arguments that most young people have been brought up with; along with the contemporary movement towards transhumanism and the attempt, once again, to liberate humankind from the limits of the body and the facts of life on earth ( Mother Nature is female). A perfect storm.

I was referring to starmer.

If Stamer can't see the self ID trap or is too scared of Angela Rayner and AGPs, how can he fight a war with Xi or make trade deals?

A Starmer governments will be government by a panel of technocrats and focus groups.

You want to watch Triggernometry and the interview with Matthew yesterday, he has all the answers.

Those woke young women will end up alone and childless in old age. There is a reason criminals target OAPs.

Focus groups made up of Laydees called Beth and Aimee, claiming to speak for women. With not an actual woman in sight.

As KJK has said feminists never dealt with Mother.

The young women who will end up childless and alone are the product of mothers putting their poor me rainbow colleagues, their love of money and status first instead of being a mother they don't value it. (I know not every old person isn't in cognitive decline, not all men or trans are like that, I am not talking about single mothers who have no financial support).

They are the product of being rewarded and taught to be parrots at school, to value memory recall and linguistic skills above all else and dismiss, devalue, not help develop in others who have other skills.

They are the product of a society that supports affairs and second families like Boris/Carrie Johnson erasing the first family from history, devalued and punished for the bad behaviour of others who are supported it.

We live in a world where bad is good and rewarded and good is bad and punished.

I could go on, I have things to do.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0403/1367841-agsi-conference/

Taking mothers out of the home (women always worked in farms prior to the industrial revolution which was in the home with family) under the oppressive man and putting her into the opressive workforce (As Matthew Goodwin said on Triggernometry- described full of polital reminders - of who is in charge) took the children into the situation we are now in.

Having women in the workplace and in leadership resulted in the new boss the same as the old boss - psychopaths.

Note all those mostly female NHS and school strikes were not to stop them pimping out children at work via Haytons document for schools and they didn't strike to stop pimping out females on wards under Annexe B.

These are the professionals who expect a woman to become homeless and to go into poverty to safeguard their children from an abusive man in the home, yet they cry DARVO if they are expected to in the workplace, the double standards for the elite graduate as Matthew calls them, is quite the exercise is cognitive dissonance and narcissism.

it's always what women do that's the problem innit? funny that