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Communist Party UK statement on GRR

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Ingenieur · 29/03/2023 19:03

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law/

Gender as an ideological construct should not be confused or conflated with the material reality of biological sex. Gender is the vehicle through which misogyny is enacted and normalised.

I think I know who's getting my vote this year!

The Gender Recognition Bill and Equality Law - Communist Party of Britain

Communist Party executive committee STATEMENT March 2023 1 The GRR Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament on 22 December, 2022. The Bill reforms the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) for Scotland only. It changes the process for obtaining a gender...

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law

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Floisme · 30/03/2023 18:52

I've only just caught up with this!

It's made me laugh. A lot.

NotHavingIt · 30/03/2023 18:52

EmpressaurusOfCats · 30/03/2023 17:20

Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones have been very busy on Twitter explaining that she’s a different kind of Communist. So it’s ok.

Yes, she's the sort of communist who loves shopping. Luxury communism now.

nepeta · 30/03/2023 18:55

But of course communism would be gender critical as it is based on materialism. The three exploitation axes are based on sex, race, and class, after all. Engels on the origins of the family makes the Marxist stance quite clear.

Once we erase the sex axis, we can no longer discuss how that part of the exploitation happens.

NotHavingIt · 30/03/2023 18:58

Not sure I'll be voting Communist, even as I appreciate their input. I'd love to see what Billy Bragg has to say on the issue.

But on one thing I do agree with the Communist party, and that is that Gender Ideology is totally a product of a late stage capitalism and individualistic consumer culture of the U.S variety.

HermioneWeasley · 30/03/2023 18:59

It’s helpful, because it’s very difficult to dismiss the COMMUNIST PARTY as “far right” or “fascists”.

raspberrywine · 30/03/2023 19:03

HermioneWeasley · 30/03/2023 18:59

It’s helpful, because it’s very difficult to dismiss the COMMUNIST PARTY as “far right” or “fascists”.

They are coming out with horseshoe theory and they can't see the irony in that.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2023 19:06

JKR's enjoying this!

Very excited to announce that after a long stretch of being Literally Hitler I've become Ideologically Stalin. With luck, hard work and your continued support, I believe I can make Vlad the Impaler by Christmas.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1641486452222570501?s=20

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 19:08

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2023 19:06

JKR's enjoying this!

Very excited to announce that after a long stretch of being Literally Hitler I've become Ideologically Stalin. With luck, hard work and your continued support, I believe I can make Vlad the Impaler by Christmas.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1641486452222570501?s=20

😆

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Communist Party UK statement on GRR
Ohyoudodoyou · 30/03/2023 19:13

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 19:08

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BlackForestCake · 30/03/2023 19:32

@nepeta Exactly right. I keep pointing out to people that the entire Marxist and most feminist analysis of women’s oppression is rooted in Engels. And that is a book all about what happens to the type of people who have the babies and how they are treated in society.

If you believe women are not necessarily female, you cannot subscribe to Engels’ analysis. It doesn’t make any sense. So you need to state what your new position is.

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet The Cde Delta mess was a disgraceful scandal. Which is really sad because the old SWP was full of people who were – in their own way – committed to women’s liberation. That’s why they were in denial about the scandal and the group nearly collapsed. But long before that they produced a large body of work talking about feminism, socialism, patriarchy and similar themes – for example:

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1981/xx/patriarchy.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1986/xx/benefits.html
https://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1984/xx/women.html

You do not of course have to agree with the conclusions of these articles, but their existence is evidence that they took the subject seriously.

Lindsey German: Theories of Patriarchy (Spring 1981)

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/german/1981/xx/patriarchy.htm

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 19:39

Enjoying this meme.

Communist Party UK statement on GRR
BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 19:43

@funnelfan
As a Christian who enjoys pointing out to those who preach the "prosperity gospel" that the early church practiced a form of communism, this cheers me up enormously.

That's interesting, I didn't know that about the early church. Weren't kibbutzes organised on communist lines as well? I remember reading somewhere that the US was initially extremely suspicious of and hostile to Israel in the very early days for that reason, or due to that perception, at least.

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/03/2023 19:47

“The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels, however, explicitly states that communism will end all private properties and also that people don’t know their own good and must be forced to live in Communist societies. Even if they don’t want to, because they don’t know their own best interest”

Marx was a historical determinist. He thought that the workers would rise up and overtake their masters as an inevitability, regardless of what intellectual communists or bourgeoisie or anyone else had to say about it, because of the pattens he detected in his study of power relationships in history. That fact that he thought it would be a good thing is by the by in his analysis iyswim.

Obviously it hasn’t worked out that way very often ever, because some power crazed posh nutter always takes over.

nepeta · 30/03/2023 19:55

power crazed posh nutter

I have to remember this hilarious term!

ChristinaXYZ · 30/03/2023 20:43

ClassicLib · 29/03/2023 20:10

Given that there are probably a grand total of 37 people in the U.K. who give a flying fuck what the communist party says about anything, it’s probably best to ignore them, like 99.999999% of people.

It is just bloody useful for pointing out that women's rights are not a left-right thing but an across-the-board thing and those claiming women speaking out are literal Nazis need to think a bit harder.

funnelfan · 30/03/2023 20:46

BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 19:43

@funnelfan
As a Christian who enjoys pointing out to those who preach the "prosperity gospel" that the early church practiced a form of communism, this cheers me up enormously.

That's interesting, I didn't know that about the early church. Weren't kibbutzes organised on communist lines as well? I remember reading somewhere that the US was initially extremely suspicious of and hostile to Israel in the very early days for that reason, or due to that perception, at least.

It’s mostly in the Acts of the Apostles, which describes what the Apostles did after Jesus resurrection and ascension. They all lived together, pooled their resources into common ownership and the distributed on the basis of need.

Its consistent with other parts of the bible, eg the love of money is the root of all evil; no man can serve two masters (ie God and money); blessed are the poor; easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into heaven.

I am no student of political theory but I think if the left-right balance of politics could be dragged a bit closer towards the modern form of European democratic socialism by voting for the communists, than I’m all for it.

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2023 20:57

Whaeanui · 29/03/2023 20:12

Isn’t that woman Ash a communist?

No she's neoliberal who identifies as communist and has no idea what communism is.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2023 21:44

This proper made me laugh

https://twitter.com/LokisHuman/status/1641507923112124436?s=20

Communist Party UK statement on GRR
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2023 21:56

Me too, but I think it's the work of Moleatthedoor. Should have been credited.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/03/2023 22:01

Yes, you're right. She's finally credited further down the thread.

Abhannmor · 30/03/2023 23:11

You could vote Communist with a clear conscience. They're not going to be elected under FPTP.
You do get the odd ' white crow event' in special circumstances.

The Irish Home Rule MP T.P. O'Connor was elected for Liverpool Scotland constituency many times . At least once without opposition.
But then Liverpool is virtually the Irish capital.

Again , I never thought I'd see a Green MP returned. No sign of no 2 however.

fromorbit · 31/03/2023 01:18

Abhannmor · 30/03/2023 23:11

You could vote Communist with a clear conscience. They're not going to be elected under FPTP.
You do get the odd ' white crow event' in special circumstances.

The Irish Home Rule MP T.P. O'Connor was elected for Liverpool Scotland constituency many times . At least once without opposition.
But then Liverpool is virtually the Irish capital.

Again , I never thought I'd see a Green MP returned. No sign of no 2 however.

Yes there is no chance they would be elected now. Worth remembering there were 1 or 2 Communist MPs elected regularly under FPTP from the 20s to the early 50s though. The obvious oppression of the USSR in the 50s and the cold war destroyed their base in Scotland, Wales and the North.

This Communist party the CPB is I think the biggest, and most directly connected of the various UK Communist parties that claim the legacy of the old Communist Party of Great Britain. Still tiny though, but its members do have significant influence on the left. It has strong links to the Morning Star circulation 10,000 so this policy on gender is not insignificant. The Star, people may remember has regularly featured gender critical articles.

The Morning Star used to have Corbyn as a columnist. If Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar now regard everyone connected to the CPB as evil Stalinists that includes Corbyn and many others they used to hang out with.

The Star's take on Luxury Communism is entertaining:
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/c/fully-automated-luxury-comunism-review

Ingenieur · 31/03/2023 12:04

Ooh, that's a great breakdown @NotHavingIt . Completely skewers the hypocrisy of the Progressive Left's cognitive dissonance on the issue

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Southwestten · 31/03/2023 12:13

If communism was done in smaller countries (Central America if the US hadn't murdered everyone) it might have worked on a small scale. Never would work in large countries

MrsTerryPratchett Cuba?
Anyone who criticises the government are locked up and the recent protests were squashed quickly.
Are there any countries which have actually voted for communism in a democratic vote?

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