Communist Party UK statement on GRR

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https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law/

Gender as an ideological construct should not be confused or conflated with the material reality of biological sex. Gender is the vehicle through which misogyny is enacted and normalised.

I think I know who's getting my vote this year!

You make a very persuasive point @Brefugee

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I think fringe parties can be useful (sorry for them though) for protest votes.

When I'm cross here in Germany i try to vote for the Marxist Leninist Party of Germany (they gave me a badge once so i have a soft spot for the bonkers maniacs)

If they were the only party here who could tell me what a woman is? for sure i would vote for them, because i have major disagreements on this and other things with pretty much all other parties.

Does being a Communist party member still give you grief for visiting the States? Genuine question.

I am delighted to see this statement if for no other reason it means we can no longer be categorised as far right/fascist and thus othered, non-personed and dismissed! It doesn't matter how few members and voters the CPGB has. The Morning Star has in the past come out in favour of GC views. I often wondered why.

I find this discussion fascinating. I don't think I could ever vote for the CPGB and very much doubt I'd have a candidate where I live to vote for. However this does help move the debate on if for no other reason it demonstrates you can be left wing and gender critical and for that they've done us a great service.

the thing about picking the CPGB for your protest vote - as a single issue voter - is that it is completely unexpected. (comes from left-field, if you like) And that you also, because you know they are never winning a seat, that you don't have to actually compromise on the "hold your nose and vote Tory/Labour/LibDem" and worry that when they get in that, although they might be able to tell you what a woman is (or not) their other policies are something that you're not on board with and are in danger of being enacted.

With the communists? (or other small party that you agree with on one or two points) you make a point and carry on with your life.

Well we have local elections in May and I've yet to decide who to vote for. I can't even think about not voting. I've always voted - first voted in October 1974! I don't believe in spoiling my ballot paper either. Least here I pretty much know the local candidates so I can content myself with voting for the person not the party. But in the general next year I am very torn. I live in a Tory/Labour marginal. It could go Labour again - it did in 1997/2001/2005. But it's mainly a Tory seat and our MP is sympathetic to GC views. Much depends on the candidate I suppose. But for sure I will be asking them what is a woman. I think the more of us do this if canvassed the more the message will filter back up. I know this because I've been a canvasser and comments and remarks are reported. It's all part of building a picture and there's no better way than doorstep knocking! (And btw, for those who haven't done this, what comes up most are hyper local issues like parking, dog mess and anti-social behaviour!)

I've lived in Eastern Europe so think it unlikely I'd ever vote Communist, but it is genuinely fascinating how easily and unequivocally they can factor the basics of women's rights into their ideology.

If the Green Party could just do this and then focus on the environment I wouldn't be politically homeless.

Of course. Because the definition of a far right Nazi fascist is believing that biological sex matters for the dignity, safeguarding and rights of women and girls.

And the definition of progressive left wing tolerance is violently silencing any dissenting or opposing voices.

I thought everyone knew that?

Isn’t the second chamber something that Labour under KS want to water down? Yet another frightening reason not to vote Labour. From an ex party member.

Isn’t the second chamber something that Labour under KS want to water down?

I haven't paid that much attention because i no longer live in UK and don't have a vote any more (that may change). AFAIK they want to reduce further the hereditary nature of the remaining seats that benefit from that, streamline it and make it more professional as an upper chamber. That is fine by me.

OMG this is possibly the most attention the CPB have had for 20 years. The replies and quote tweets are full of outraged bluehairs. It's hilarious.

I have no intention of actually voting for any sort of communists but I am so here for this!

I bet the anger is really quite something.

https://twitter.com/CPBritain/status/1641075720930639872

Rom is awfully like a customer services Chatbot. What does he think Communism even is, if he thinks you can take the ‘class reductionism’ out of it? 😅

Miri is so disinterested in terves Miri posts tweets about how disinterested in terves Miri is.

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I thought @datun had been installed as our Overlady?

Have they taken it down? I get an error message when I click on the link to the statement.

Come on CPGB, don't back down!

The tweet linking to the statement has had one million views - I reckon their website has probably crashed due to an unusually high volume of traffic’

Man alive

as per when I click on a twitter link I’m now backing away slowly and closing that tab

twitter is insane

as much as anything this kind of unequivocal statement from an organisation (albeit fringe) helps to demonstrate gender ideology is not a foregone conclusion, I’ll take that

You're right- it's the whole site.

They're easily confused, sure they think men are women and women are men.😆

Yes, I’ve long felt the same. But little chance of a candidate for either of them, where I live.

Two small parties that refuse to bow to male supremacism, out of all the non-Tory political parties in the UK. Or the tories. What a bloody choice.

I realise communism is not exactly everyone’s cup of tea, but it would be much harder for TRAs to call us Nazis if the Communist Party turned up to Let Women Speak events.

Personally I don't see a difference in palatability between actual Communists and actual Nazis. I don't think feminism needs support from any genocidal ideologies.

i could probably take her... ;)

I think of left/right more as a circle than a straight line i.e. fascism/nazism and communism meet each other at the end of the extreme spectrum - one being a right wing autoritarianism the other being a left wing authoritarianism (although nazism was actually a strange hybrid national socialism, with state ownership).

Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin - you choose. What is pretty certain is that communism, like fascism, is no friend of women. Capitalism, with all its many faults, is better than either. I could never vote for communism: it's the ultimate levelling down system except for the inevitable elite at the top. In capitalism you have a financial elite. In communism you have a political elite. But you always have an elite.

So, I am still politically homeless.

Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin - you choose. What is pretty certain is that communism, like fascism, is no friend of women.

communism is literally about equality. It rejects gender stereotypes.

What you and a lot of people get confused about is authoritarian dictators who say they are communists - and because the Fear of Communism has taken such deep root by people who don't actually check what it is, this is swallowed hook, line and sinker.