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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK vs Keir Starmer

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Faffertea · 29/03/2023 12:28

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1640976304773234688?cxt=HHwWgIC8rajQ9cUtAAAA

I don’t know if she can win given it’s been a Labour constituency since it was formed (in 1980s) and was held by Frank Dobson and then Keir Starmer and according to data is a ‘progressive’ constituency, average age 41 and good job security. Interestingly I can’t find data on constituency make up by sex.

I’m not sure she’s expecting to win. She knows she can cause an awful lot of disruption though. And I say bring it on!

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1640976304773234688?cxt=HHwWgIC8rajQ9cUtAAAA

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Swallowdoubleandrunamile · 29/03/2023 13:36

Bring it on, I can't wait to see Starmer squirm and hopefully do a U-turn.

MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2023 13:37

Good on her

She’s had so much coverage already bring it on

beastlyslumber · 29/03/2023 13:38

They are so clueless. They're going to play it all wrong. It's going to be wildly entertaining!

Florissante · 29/03/2023 13:39

It doesn't matter if KJK loses; what matters is that she runs.

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 13:41

His greatest linguist will have their work cut out.

lifeturnsonadime · 29/03/2023 13:44

The fact she won't win is entirely irrelevant.

The fact that she is standing will expose the nonsense views of the Labour Party on women and our rights.

Mr Starmer will be forced to have an opinion. Either way it will piss off someone. He's between a rock and a hard place as it is. Women think he's a misogynist and transwomen think he's a bigot who should expel Rosie Duffield.

How this plays out will be very interesting. Hopefully it will lead him to a reverse ferret which will enable some traditional Labour voters to actually give the Labour Party the vote. Time will tell.

Rightsraptor · 29/03/2023 13:49

Kellie won't win that seat and knows she won't. But that isn't the point. The publicity is surely the point.

I've heard people laughing at how few women actually went to her rally in Auckland, as if that proves something. If I'd been on my way there and heard how things were kicking off, I'd have probably turned back and gone home too (coward that I am, unlike the redoubtable KJK). But it matters not one whit that the rally didn't really happen - look at the rest of it! All that fall out, all those people who can't believe what they saw from a state that they had previously thought solid, dependable and well, just like 'us'. Rather like Canada in that - once seen as a bastion of decency and rightness has now shown itself up, thanks to one Trudeau J, to be a basket case.

Kellie will know how to handle this. She won't win, but she'll do it with such style and aplomb, bringing a whole new crowd along with her.

MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2023 13:49

Agree it’s not so much about winning but I’d say she’ll prompt some good headlines and get it out in the open

FOJN · 29/03/2023 13:50

KS has been chosen because he is the highest profile Labour MP, she would not get the same audience is she was running against a less well known Labour candidate. It will harder to erase her from the news and could improve the chances of other candidates running. Constituents may not want an independent like KJK as an MP but if she makes enough of a fool of KS they may decide they prefer someone else.

Seems like KJK does activism and politics.

Faffertea · 29/03/2023 13:51

I think my favourite response to the Twitter post was:
“She doesn’t need to win to be effective.”

I really think it could force some clarity in the Labour party’s position. I just hope he doesn’t hurt himself getting down from the fence he’s spent the last few years trying to sit on.

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Needmoresleep · 29/03/2023 13:55

I have been doing a bit of canvassing for local Government elections in a fairly affluent but reasonably urban, owner occupier area. Professionals including plenty from elsewhere including London. Most people expect to vote. A mix of support.

What has surprised me is:

  1. People really don't like Boris. Even Conservatives.
  1. People don't seem to like Keir. Not dislike him as such, but no one yet has said anything positive, and one or two have said they don't trust him.

Lots of "I plan to vote, but don't know who to vote for." Or saying they will vote independent but no idea which one and what they stand for.

With Labour voters I sneak in that one problem with Keir is that he does not know what a women is. This gets 100% recognition, and a 100% agreement that it is a failing on his part. People have then gone to talk about being worried about their non binary niece or that there is effectively a gender cult in the local secondary school. Or simply think it is all beyond belief. It does not seem to be a party political issue for many. (Rightly as sex and gender are not party political issues. What a woman is is something that until recently the far right and the far left as well as everyone in between had no problem agreeing on.) That said one man, who was delighted to find a canvasser on their doorstep, gave me the full 20 questions including "What is a Woman".

  1. The jury is still out on Rishi. People seem to think that so far he is making a reasonable fist of the hand he was dealt, but he still needs to prove himself. Or alone woman said "At least he stays off the telly."

Kelly Jay's presence, especially should London's TRA community including some from the area's large student population (UCL, LSE, KCL and more) protest, will prevent Keir from glossing over the issue. Genius.

K-J, I am now a whiz at leafleting. Does she need any money?

FOJN · 29/03/2023 13:58

I don't think they can ban her campaign material either.

TeaAndStrumpets · 29/03/2023 13:58

Faffertea · 29/03/2023 13:51

I think my favourite response to the Twitter post was:
“She doesn’t need to win to be effective.”

I really think it could force some clarity in the Labour party’s position. I just hope he doesn’t hurt himself getting down from the fence he’s spent the last few years trying to sit on.

There's always a danger of embedded splinters causing nasty inflammation. Careful, Keir!

EdithStourton · 29/03/2023 14:01

I know someone who has a pesky garden squirrel who spends all his time on the fence. They call him Keir.

Unfortunately a chipmunk is the best emoji I can find🐿

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 14:06

@EdithStourton I know for a fact that chipmunk identifies as a squirrel. Look it's had species confirmation surgery on its tail.

I think Kier will try to avoid her. Well, he can run.....

Arapawa · 29/03/2023 14:09

brilliant, bring it on KJK

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 29/03/2023 14:15

I suppose we need to thank the lads in NZ for helping raise KJK's profile before this kicks off. There's no way the media will want to miss what she says now. Except the Guardian of course!! Can't wait to see how they manage to pretend this isn't happening.

Turnipworkharder · 29/03/2023 14:16

Very clever move on her part....#letwomenspeak

BellaAmorosa · 29/03/2023 14:17

I'm so glad she's followed through with this. KJK has diamond-studded steel ovaries. The Labour Party lost a brilliant tactician when she left.

The Party for Women.

EdithStourton · 29/03/2023 14:18

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 14:06

@EdithStourton I know for a fact that chipmunk identifies as a squirrel. Look it's had species confirmation surgery on its tail.

I think Kier will try to avoid her. Well, he can run.....

😂😂

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 29/03/2023 14:19

Brilliant. This is going to be very entertaining and very, very illuminating.

Posie is excellent at marketing and publicity. She is going to be an absolute blast of sunlight.

circleback · 29/03/2023 14:19

Kelly Jay's presence, especially should London's TRA community including some from the area's large student population (UCL, LSE, KCL and more) protest, will prevent Keir from glossing over the issue. Genius.

Exactly. The frothing at the mouth that a “TERF Nazi” (as they like to defame her) is standing against KS will bring out the batshit protesters and get the headlines. I hope she is a massive headache for Labour.

Fluffymule · 29/03/2023 14:26

He has nobody but himself to blame for this.

KJK isn't running to win, she is running to show Starmer up for what he is.

He made his choice when he threw women, and children's safeguarding, under the bus. Because he decided it was the easiest option for him. That our rights, protections and dignity were lesser than a vocal cabal of identity ideologists and MRAs.

I think the twitter term that gets bandied around is 'welcome to the consequences of your actions'?

FourTeaFallOut · 29/03/2023 14:29

I think it is a fearless tactic. It's going to be interesting to see how Labour addresses the issue when it is so unavoidable and also to see how the media report on the issue when they are forced to abide by the far stricter protocols of fair presentation during election coverage.

ItIsFiat · 29/03/2023 14:29

MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2023 13:49

Agree it’s not so much about winning but I’d say she’ll prompt some good headlines and get it out in the open

What a win looks like can be different to people. Starmer a win is keeping that seat, to women it is watching the best strategists and linguists in the Labour be beaten by a small number of women.

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