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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

545 replies

Tradeup · 28/03/2023 04:53

The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

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TwoCoffeesandAMilkshake · 28/03/2023 10:38

Sky News are still saying transwoman. I'm confused

senua · 28/03/2023 10:41

Another 6 dead, another 6 families irrevocably scarred.
Another 7 dead, another 7 families irrevocably scarred.
The US police force's tendency to 'shoot to kill' is another horrendous outcome of the nation's attitude to guns.

Naunet · 28/03/2023 10:41

thedancingbear · 28/03/2023 10:30

I can't believe that the first thing that MN's first collective thought around this tragic event was 'was (s)he trans'?

Some of you have lost the plot. Seriously.

Why? Joe Biden’s first thought was to make a joke about ice cream. Why do you expect brits to care about this more than Americans do?

Broadbeachshallow · 28/03/2023 10:41

thedancingbear · 28/03/2023 10:30

I can't believe that the first thing that MN's first collective thought around this tragic event was 'was (s)he trans'?

Some of you have lost the plot. Seriously.

It was no one's first thought. HTH.

coldmarchmorn · 28/03/2023 10:42

thedancingbear · 28/03/2023 10:30

I can't believe that the first thing that MN's first collective thought around this tragic event was 'was (s)he trans'?

Some of you have lost the plot. Seriously.

These things happen every day in America. It's the 87th day of the year and this is the 128th mass shotting this year. It's so commonplace as to be completely unremarkable.

Obviously people are going to be concerned with the less commonplace, every day part of the thing. Mass shooters are male, almost exclusively. The fact this one is a woman is the most remarkable thing about it. The fact that it was a woman identifying as a male makes it particularly interesting thing.

If you don't get that, that's a failure on your part.None of us have lost the plot, we all know what we are talking about and why.

Frozendaquiri · 28/03/2023 10:43

senua · 28/03/2023 10:41

Another 6 dead, another 6 families irrevocably scarred.
Another 7 dead, another 7 families irrevocably scarred.
The US police force's tendency to 'shoot to kill' is another horrendous outcome of the nation's attitude to guns.

I'm sorry but I don't see that them shooting this mass murderer was a bad thing at all. They acted reasonably to prevent any more slaughterings.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/03/2023 10:45

Definitely born female. Narrow shoulders, female jaw line , female hands.

Reports from de transitioned women , and the parents and friends of FTM females indicates that taking testosterone seems to increase aggression and violence .

CloseRunningRiver · 28/03/2023 10:45

It’s was a woman, not a man.
Which is most unusual in this type of killing.

Marshmallowmountain · 28/03/2023 10:48

So if a male to female trans person commits a crime, it’s a woman, and if a female to male transperson commits a crime…they’re also a woman?

sheeeeeeshh · 28/03/2023 10:49

Tradeup · 28/03/2023 05:42

Same@miraveille .

Thanks everyone, it has been very confusing, as they are calling her she and saying her name is Audrey and then saying she was trans, so I was confused. Now I see that she was identifying as male but they are referring to her with female pronouns. So I guess there definitely are circumstances where your new identity will be ignored in preference of clarity.

Sure. If you're female.

Moonlightdust · 28/03/2023 10:50

Awful tragedy - those poor victims and their families.
When are guns going to be banned in the USA and when is this woke society going to wake up and realise that these kid’s identifying as transgender or non binary are most often suffering from mental health issues!

isitshe · 28/03/2023 10:52

So so so awful. It's just about unimaginable here, but happens so much in the US that it's almost not shocking anymore.
Had she detransitioned?
No doubt there'll be TRAs & sympathisers pissed off that she's been 'misgendered'. "See what we have to face?"
No, this is what LITERAL violence looks like.

Rosscameasdoody · 28/03/2023 10:54

senua · 28/03/2023 10:41

Another 6 dead, another 6 families irrevocably scarred.
Another 7 dead, another 7 families irrevocably scarred.
The US police force's tendency to 'shoot to kill' is another horrendous outcome of the nation's attitude to guns.

In these situations it’s often referred to as’ death by cop’. If the perpetrator comes at the police with an assault weapon and instigates a shootout, what else are they supposed to do ? I suppose in states where they have the death penalty, the result will eventually be the same, except that the tax payer will be saved a lot of money and the lawyers will be poorer for it !! To be honest I can’t find it in myself to have much sympathy for the fate of someone who would commit such an horrendous act.

Mirabai · 28/03/2023 10:54

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/03/2023 10:45

Definitely born female. Narrow shoulders, female jaw line , female hands.

Reports from de transitioned women , and the parents and friends of FTM females indicates that taking testosterone seems to increase aggression and violence .

That’s a very good point.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 10:54

thedancingbear · 28/03/2023 10:30

I can't believe that the first thing that MN's first collective thought around this tragic event was 'was (s)he trans'?

Some of you have lost the plot. Seriously.

You can't believe that people wondered that?

You seem to have never found the plot, never mind lost it.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 10:55

isitshe · 28/03/2023 10:52

So so so awful. It's just about unimaginable here, but happens so much in the US that it's almost not shocking anymore.
Had she detransitioned?
No doubt there'll be TRAs & sympathisers pissed off that she's been 'misgendered'. "See what we have to face?"
No, this is what LITERAL violence looks like.

Good point.

PronounssheRa · 28/03/2023 10:56

When are guns going to be banned in the USA

There are more guns in the USA than people. Even if you banned guns and held an amnesty, there is no way any government would get even half out of circulation.

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2023 10:56

senua · 28/03/2023 10:41

Another 6 dead, another 6 families irrevocably scarred.
Another 7 dead, another 7 families irrevocably scarred.
The US police force's tendency to 'shoot to kill' is another horrendous outcome of the nation's attitude to guns.

Can you imagine the intensity of facing a murderer who’s on a killing spree?

Not sure I blame them.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 10:56

Marshmallowmountain · 28/03/2023 10:48

So if a male to female trans person commits a crime, it’s a woman, and if a female to male transperson commits a crime…they’re also a woman?

All crimes are women's crimes.

Directly or indirectly.

Untitledsquatboulder · 28/03/2023 11:01

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2023 10:56

All crimes are women's crimes.

Directly or indirectly.

Yes this ^

bubbles2023 · 28/03/2023 11:02

*It's confusing because the media seem to call male rapists 'she' when they identify as female but a female shooter 'she' when they identify as male.

It does look like bias but I'm sure it can't be.*

^^
That struck me. When a mtf trans person commits a serious crime, they're a 'woman' with she/her pronouns. When a ftm trans person commits a serious crime they're a woman.

Signalbox · 28/03/2023 11:05

When are guns going to be banned in the USA

Almost certainly never.

senua · 28/03/2023 11:06

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2023 10:56

Can you imagine the intensity of facing a murderer who’s on a killing spree?

Not sure I blame them.

That's kinda my point. It is, literally, an arms race that ends up with law enforcement killing its own populace. It's horrendous.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 28/03/2023 11:06

isitshe · 28/03/2023 10:52

So so so awful. It's just about unimaginable here, but happens so much in the US that it's almost not shocking anymore.
Had she detransitioned?
No doubt there'll be TRAs & sympathisers pissed off that she's been 'misgendered'. "See what we have to face?"
No, this is what LITERAL violence looks like.

I remember the shock and disbelief after the events in Dunblane 1996 - 16 students and a teacher died. The UK hasn’t seen one since, because parents in Dunblane organised themselves and by the following year Parliament had banned private ownership of most handguns and semi automatic weapons, and introduced mandatory registration for shotgun owners. Something that gun control activists in the USA aren’t able to effectively achieve because they’re up against the NRA, whose reaction to the latest shooting is to suggest that school guards are armed. So the answer to the gun problem in their eyes - more guns !!

Rosscameasdoody · 28/03/2023 11:07

Signalbox · 28/03/2023 11:05

When are guns going to be banned in the USA

Almost certainly never.

Nope. Not unless you can dismantle the NRA !!