Is the Trans shooter in Nashville Male or Female?

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The murderer who came in and killed 3 children and 3 adults is trans and called Audrey, I am confused as to their biological sex.

390 million guns in circulation in the US in 2018.

they will never get all these guns off the street even if the NRA was dismantled

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

the numbers are just mind blowing

I think the police dead named the perpetrator and journalists trying to cover this horrific incident reported what they knew quickly including the name and sex of the as shooter. There have obviously some editorial discussions since and the press (including BBC) are making decisions how to refer to the shooter to adhere to editorial policy including removing pronouns from reports and referring to name and omitting sex.

The incident highlights how difficult reporting becomes when there is so much mixed information on gender.

I can't imagine what it's like being told your child has been slaughtered at school. But I'm guessing it's even worse if the information about the killer is garbled and contradictory, with people seeming to be more worried about pronoun politeness than actual reality. Just makes it even more of a shitshow.

I noticed this reporting too. A trans'woman' sex offender is reported as a woman but a trans 'man' has so far not only been reported as a woman but numerous statistics have been thrown out all morning about the number of female perpetrators of this crime.

RIP to the victims.

I think the term ‘arms race’ nails it. When American citizens try to justify private gun ownership they cite personal or family protection as the main reason. That sounds reasonable until you factor in the the calibre and types of guns on sale and easily obtainable. So you end up with Joe Public buying into the notion that their ‘protection’ has to match that of their perceived adversaries and Bingo - the ordinary man in the street is armed to the teeth with state of the art assault weapons. And all the while the powerful pro gun lobby, the NRA are happily displaying bumper stickers reading ‘I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands’. And that’s how it ends - usually when innocent people are dead. It’s madness.

Yes I think it gets worse when the solution seems to be arm citizens even more as in pp

Report I read said female living as a man (whatever that means). Terrible and unforgivable incident regardless. America is a very sick country.

So many evasive, mealy mouthed euphemisms. The attacker. The shooter. Haley. Identifies as transgender. What ?

It must be quite difficult actually , like writing an essay without using the letter E. An enviable skill to be sure ; but it is not journalism.

I’m guessing that the parents who have lost children in this obscenity couldn’t give a shit what sex/gender issues their childs’ murderer had.

I think that’s why the UK media have adopted the American term ‘shooter’. How else are they going to term it - gunperson ?

Whether it's for clickbait (or whatever) but there seems to be a general thing in the media to quickly attribute crimes to women.

A mtf criminal will be quickly referred to as female ("her penis" etc) to generate headlines, and this biological female shooter is referred to as female (not the self selected male pronouns), again to generate headlines.

I don't think it's wokery or political correctness, it's the revenue generating headlines.
The media will hide behind wokery as a reason to do it, but it's cynical and this case just points it out. There's nothing special about a male mass shooter, but there is with a female one.

It was a POS!

This.
FFS.

I don't think it was about pronoun politeness. Or fudging statistics. Although the police and media regularly do both regarding trans crimes.
But in this case, it seems genuine confusion. The murderer still used both names - male and female - in the messages they sent minutes before the shooting. And the friend they messaged referred to the shooter with female pronouns.

We are not those parents, and we can care.

I agree. This entire thread is one of the most fucked up things I've read on here.

The shooter was a woman. It has been reported as such. And still an anti-trans angle is spun.

Does it matter!!! Three dead children and 3 dead adults. 102 mass shootings in America - this year.
Words fail me.
My thoughts to all the families. 🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺

I can’t get my head around anyone deliberately targeting children. It’s hard enough to understand why a man would do it, but to me, a woman acting this way goes against every instinct I have.

I've just reported someone saying 'it'.

It's dead interesting to see which threads are being heavily monitored and which are ignored.

It's almost as if trans men don't count.

Honestly there is some fascinating stuff coming out with this horrific incident in terms of issues around how seriously pronouns and media use of how to describe trans people in criminal incidents.

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And yes, it really does matter,

Some of you seem to lack the ability to care about more than one thing at a time. There's no need to attack people who can handle more than one thought.

The shooter being transgender is critical.

The shooter is a female, and girls, particularly those with autism are more prone to decide to become transgender. A lot of the shooters have been diagnosed with conditions like autism. (I'm not saying autism leads automatically to mass violence, but it is a common feature).

If she was on testosterone, then that sudden influx of aggression etc could lead to such activity. Particularly as I've heard too many cases of people being prescribed dangerously high levels of hormones. Boys have a gradual introduction to testosterone, but with transgender care it seems people go onto adult levels on day one.

Mass shooting is a male thing. Perhaps in her warped imagination this was the most "gender affirming" thing she could do?

The shooter was a women who identified as male. A transman. No angle is being spun, and the anti-trans comment is yours.

And this is why men are so pissed off. Women refusing to acknowledge it's all their fault.

The problem is that one thought is vastly dominating over the other.

There are two threads in 'active' discussing the trans status of the shooter. None about (just for example) gun control.

It's fucked up.

But you don’t care about the obscenity of a school shooting. You care about what pronoun was used. I repeat, FFS.