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WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour

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Bosky · 24/03/2023 05:14

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour
WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour
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Villagetoraiseachild · 24/03/2023 23:53

So what now? Did I hear in the car that Wellington is off?

Walkingtheplank · 24/03/2023 23:53

Just watched the whole live feed. Its terrifying.
Posie is beyond brave.
NZ Police are a disgrace - probably captured.
I hope all the women, and their good male supporters are OK.

This is such a light shining moment. Women want to speak, and men and their handmaidens act with horrendous violence - illustrating women's rights activists point.

I know Posie puts on a good front but I hope she's OK, and has someone on hand to help her feel safe. ♥️

Lockheart · 24/03/2023 23:53

lifeturnsonadime · 24/03/2023 23:53

I cannot express in words how angry that women have been shut up by violent men in New :Zealand. The fact that you are trying to change the subject away from the fact disgusts me.

I'm not trying to change the subject, I was engaging in a discussion about what the object was, but you're the one who wants to start an argument about it...

lifeturnsonadime · 24/03/2023 23:54

Lockheart · 24/03/2023 23:53

I'm not trying to change the subject, I was engaging in a discussion about what the object was, but you're the one who wants to start an argument about it...

I don't want an argument. I want to focus on the fact that women in New Zealand have been silenced by violent men.

littlbrowndog · 24/03/2023 23:55

Where’s my like button 👍👍👍👍

landOFconfusion · 24/03/2023 23:55

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Lockheart · 24/03/2023 23:56

Villagetoraiseachild · 24/03/2023 23:53

So what now? Did I hear in the car that Wellington is off?

That is what was implied, but I don't think there's been any official announcement yet.

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gwrachod · 24/03/2023 23:58

The footage is really scary. I sincerely hope everyone got out OK and no one has been hurt.

I hope, also, that some of you now understand that the lefty women (who know a think or two about campaigning, fascists and antifa) have not been criticising KJK because we're jealous, but because we feared exactly this would happen.

I wrote this yesterday, it's a paraphrase of what several of us have been saying for months:

if you don't make it very clear that the far right aren't welcome, if you go on their media, make them feel welcome, they will turn up. They will turn up especially as many of them like a bit of recreational violence, and to fight with the TRAs. And when that happens, that's all the media will focus on.

We're at that stage now.

The next stage is more Antifa come to fight the fash. More men who like recreational violence (on both sides) hear about it, and come along too. Before too long, the whole thing becomes a fight between far right and Antifa men, the press love reporting it it - and KJK's femalism implodes, but not before doing a load of damage to the women's rights movement.

KJK could take steps to stop this happening, like not cosying up to the far right all the fucking time. Her nazi "denouncement" isn't easy to take seriously when she's hanging out with a woman from the Oz version of the UKIP, immediately after.

We've moved on a phase since yesterday, we're now at "The next stage is more Antifa come to fight the fash". The huge swell of people there will have been mobilised in such huge numbers to fight fascism, as they perceive it.

And the media are interested - not in what the women are saying, but in catching some violence on camera, as that's worth clicks (and money). Did you see how many people with professional looking cameras were there today?

You lot can argue to the cows come home about whether KJK has been courting the far right or not, ask questions designed to deflect, such as "what is the far right anyway" and carry on taking the piss out of those who raise this as a concern. But out there in the real world, it looks a lot like KJK's courting the far right - because of her actual behaviour, besides any spin - and that the neo nazis turned up to support her as a result.

And, the consequence is that the temperature rises, the message is lost, violence increases and the media fucking love it, and amplify it. That's the next stage.

No, I am not blaming KJK for men's violence before any of you start. That doesn't mean that this wasn't predictable. There are much more savvy ways to go about things, that don't end up with huge angry mobs coming after you because they've seen what looks like proof you're in with the fascists.

Those of us who've been banging on about this for ages are saying this as we know KJK's courting of the far right will trigger those who want to fight fascism to turn out. And, also we've seen men's recreational violence take over in other movements and other times. For the 1,000th time, jealousy has fuck all to do with it.

Clymene · 24/03/2023 23:59

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lifeturnsonadime · 25/03/2023 00:00

gwrachod · 24/03/2023 23:58

The footage is really scary. I sincerely hope everyone got out OK and no one has been hurt.

I hope, also, that some of you now understand that the lefty women (who know a think or two about campaigning, fascists and antifa) have not been criticising KJK because we're jealous, but because we feared exactly this would happen.

I wrote this yesterday, it's a paraphrase of what several of us have been saying for months:

if you don't make it very clear that the far right aren't welcome, if you go on their media, make them feel welcome, they will turn up. They will turn up especially as many of them like a bit of recreational violence, and to fight with the TRAs. And when that happens, that's all the media will focus on.

We're at that stage now.

The next stage is more Antifa come to fight the fash. More men who like recreational violence (on both sides) hear about it, and come along too. Before too long, the whole thing becomes a fight between far right and Antifa men, the press love reporting it it - and KJK's femalism implodes, but not before doing a load of damage to the women's rights movement.

KJK could take steps to stop this happening, like not cosying up to the far right all the fucking time. Her nazi "denouncement" isn't easy to take seriously when she's hanging out with a woman from the Oz version of the UKIP, immediately after.

We've moved on a phase since yesterday, we're now at "The next stage is more Antifa come to fight the fash". The huge swell of people there will have been mobilised in such huge numbers to fight fascism, as they perceive it.

And the media are interested - not in what the women are saying, but in catching some violence on camera, as that's worth clicks (and money). Did you see how many people with professional looking cameras were there today?

You lot can argue to the cows come home about whether KJK has been courting the far right or not, ask questions designed to deflect, such as "what is the far right anyway" and carry on taking the piss out of those who raise this as a concern. But out there in the real world, it looks a lot like KJK's courting the far right - because of her actual behaviour, besides any spin - and that the neo nazis turned up to support her as a result.

And, the consequence is that the temperature rises, the message is lost, violence increases and the media fucking love it, and amplify it. That's the next stage.

No, I am not blaming KJK for men's violence before any of you start. That doesn't mean that this wasn't predictable. There are much more savvy ways to go about things, that don't end up with huge angry mobs coming after you because they've seen what looks like proof you're in with the fascists.

Those of us who've been banging on about this for ages are saying this as we know KJK's courting of the far right will trigger those who want to fight fascism to turn out. And, also we've seen men's recreational violence take over in other movements and other times. For the 1,000th time, jealousy has fuck all to do with it.

So in a nutshell you don't think that women in New Zealand should speak either?

And you think that KJK is to blame for the violent males and their handmaidens?

Right oh.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 00:00

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2023 23:45

If ever anyone doubts the pervasiveness of male hatred for women, there's always someone popping up to remind us it's never far away.

They sound like they support violence against women.

FOJN · 25/03/2023 00:01

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lifeturnsonadime · 25/03/2023 00:01

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 00:00

They sound like they support violence against women.

Yup.

UtopiaPlanitia · 25/03/2023 00:01

This thread was started to discuss what the NZ women want to say at the LWS meetings - now is not the time for condescension and vileness.

These women were attacked for exercising free speech.

littlbrowndog · 25/03/2023 00:02

You talk mince graawdoch.Absolute mince

and you are loving this 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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Lockheart · 25/03/2023 00:05

This entire thread is going to get pulled... by the time all the personal attacks are deleted it will be like Swiss cheese.

littlbrowndog · 25/03/2023 00:06

I just said Fuck of read it how you like

Twitter shadow banned me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈🤷‍♀️

DialSquare · 25/03/2023 00:08

This is going as well as the silly little TRA thought.

twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639401416044449792

There will have been many people who were on the fence about KJK. I think this will gain her many more supporters now. People don't like bullies.

DialSquare · 25/03/2023 00:09

FFS!
ISN'T going as well.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 25/03/2023 00:09

The thug that helped instigate the violence against women is crowing that KJK ‘ran away’

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639401416044449792

”You ran away, you coward TERF. Don’t mess with us ever again:”

He was quote tweeting PP.

He is currently being ratio’d so I think the BeKind crew may have just fucked themselves up re being seen as the most oppressed, marginalised, terrified, group eva, to being seen as an angry, baying mob of out of control thugs. Very fascist adjacent.

PS. I dgaf about his pronouns.

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639401416044449792

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 00:10

lifeturnsonadime · 25/03/2023 00:00

So in a nutshell you don't think that women in New Zealand should speak either?

And you think that KJK is to blame for the violent males and their handmaidens?

Right oh.

Nope. I wish the women in NZ could speak.

KJK is a fucking liability and is making it risky to speak.

No, she's not responsible for male violence.

Yes, she is responsible for people thinking she's far-right adjacent because of the way she's been courting them.

And this pushback from anti-fascists - and the media being all over it - is pretty fucking inevitable.

I'm turning off, now. It's utterly depressing to witness the lack of critical thinking here. It's putting people at serious risk of harm, now.

I sincerely hope the women there are OK.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 25/03/2023 00:11

Opps @DialSquare got there before me.

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