WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour

[Bosky]

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

[Rainonthehorizon]

@WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations

This is the person who threw the tomato sauce over KJK at the beginning:

https://www.instagram.com/elianarubashkyn/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D

https://twitter.com/KnownHeretic/status/1639480339914694659

“This is the woman who assaulted This is the woman who assaulted This is the woman who assaulted @ThePosieParker

Her friends are bragging about it. They always tell on themselves with violence! Solidarity sisters in NZ. The world is watching.”

#LetWomenSpeakAuckland

The police have been advised - let see if they act.

And here is the video of them bragging about it themselves, very useful for them to provide a full confession for the police.

https://twitter.com/coconutfist12/status/1639807673272250369

[TomPinch]

@Whaeanui

Generally it's all very polite. I know it's tempting to see a conpiracy here, but it's almost certainly that the police didn't know what was coming and didn't know as well as you might think how to handle it.

What a load of absolute BS. NZ has had many protests, some of the violent. They’ve recently had the anti mandatory vaccine one. Please. They were also well aware of what happened in Australia as the PM was asked and specifically about police presence. The police were nowhere! ON PURPOSE. Ever actually attended a protest in nz Tom?

No, as they are few and far between compared to the experiences of most people posting here. We're just going to have to disagree on this one.

[Whaeanui]

No, as they are few and far between

wrong again! No I don’t agree to disagree. I know you’re wrong about my country. There’s Maori protests all the time. It’s not like uk women have huge events like this every week either you know!

[FOJN]

@TomPinch

Testosterone?

Seriously - I don't know. I honestly didn't expect anything like this. I think most people didn't. I'm actually horrified.

With the greatest of respect Tom if you really didn't think something like this would happen then you haven't been paying attention.

TRA's have been aggressively trying to silence women the world over for several years now. Women in the UK have been assaulted when attending women's rights events and there was at least one woman who was taken to hospital in Melbourne after being pushed to the ground and injured by a TRA.

[raspberrywine]

@TomPinch

I cannot understand why there wasn’t a police presence. They must have seen what happened in Australia, they would have known that counter-protests were being organised. Why weren’t the police there?

Rowdy demonstrations that spill over into public disorder do happen here, but really not very often at all. Certainly not as often as in the UK where the police will (for better or for worse) have lots of experience of handling them. Generally it's all very polite. I know it's tempting to see a conpiracy here, but it's almost certainly that the police didn't know what was coming and didn't know as well as you might think how to handle it.

I'm sure the police would have been well aware of the potential for violence. They, the decision makers certainly, don't live in a bubble. They would have seen the footage of Posie in Australia the outrage and the vitriol on msm. They would have been aware of it all.

So I don't buy the faux naivety of police aren't used to it. No, it was a deliberate decision to not be present and not to crowd control.

[DewinDwl]

@IwantToRetire

If you are shocked at the scenes in New Zealand:

Chris Hopkins is the PM : [email protected]

Kiri Allan is Minister for Justice : [email protected]

Ginny Andersen is the Police Minister so let’s ask her why no police were present. [email protected]

Peeni Henare is the Tourism Minister so let’s tell him how bad this makes NZ look. Not what you imagined at all etc etc. Would you, as a gender critical woman, or just as a woman, feel safe? [email protected]

And James Cleverly is our Foreign Secretary. Let’s ask him whether the tourist guidance to New Zealand will be updated as it is clearly not a safe place for women. [email protected]

copied from a facebook post

Thanks IwantToRetire. Do we know if the British ambassador / diplomatic representative has made a statement? A British national was attacked in very worrying circumstances, for political reasons, following heavily biased media coverage.

[ArabellaScott]

Free Speech Union NZ, which I don't know anything about other than its affiliated to the UK FSU, has an open letter to the police minister.

https://www.fsu.nz/public_letter_to_police_minister

[ArabellaScott]

Already nearly 10k signatures.

[Boiledbeetle]

@GlorianaCervixia

Drone video with an overhead view of the mob surging around PP as she escapes. Starts at about 1 minute in and is incredibly disturbing. The courage of the women around her is extraordinary. It’s a miracle no one was trampled or killed by the crowd.

The more i see the worse it looks.

I'm honestly surprised no-one was killed.

I bet that crowd have no idea whilst they celebrate their win what a vast proportion of people watching actually think. It's appalling that all that was over a group of women just wanting to talk about women.

And the police, not a single sign of them in that drone footage that i could see

[RufustheSpeculatingreindeer]

I don’t think I’m an overly empathetic person, just a human normal level

and I’m a wee bit of a fence sitter or rather again like most normal humans i can see both sides in a lot of situations even if i don’t agree with them

and I probably feel sorry for people I shouldn’t, but….

I don’t understand how a normal human being can look at that terrifying situation and this it was ok to do to people, obviously kjk but also the security men (i know its their job but i bet they didnt expect that!) and the marshals and people who were just there to listen

seeing that footage I’d be ashamed of myself if i was in there …..and I’d have to rethink my relationship with anyone i knew in there

the baddies arent the people who talk…they are the people who whip mobs into a frenzy and those in the mob who allow themselves to be whipped up

ds1 is gay and for some reason parents being disappointed in their children because of their sexuality came up. I told him that I couldn’t think of anything that he would do that I would be disappointed in him for….

and thats true…mainly because he wouldn’t have been in that fucking mob!

but if he had, yeah….I’d be disappointed

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

 I told him that I couldn’t think of anything that he would do that I would be disappointed in him for….

and thats true…mainly because he wouldn’t have been in that fucking mob!

but if he had, yeah….I’d be disappointed

My eldest is the same sort of age as these arseholes.
Thankfully the absolute last thing he’d do with his weekends is smash down crowd control barriers to shut older women up for saying things he disagreed with.

Mothers of non-arsehole sons unite!

[Villagetoraiseachild]

Unclear to me if the Petition is for New Zealanders only.
I signed it anyway.😼

[RufustheSpeculatingreindeer]

Mothers of non-arsehole sons unite

we need a flag 🤔

or maybe just a themed cocktail…

[BlessedKali]

It is shocking to watch fat men in dresses and fancy hair try to punch a small woman through a crowd.

Jesus fucking Christ. What a movement. How can anyone get behind this?

[Hoardasurass]

Seems like karma is catching up with the soup thrower 😃https://twitter.com/KowalskiKit/status/1668546720203157505?s=20

[IwantToRetire]

Thanks for that link.

Karma indeed.

Lets hope Karma starts working on other worthy subjects.

[Grammarnut]

What a creep the NZ interviewer is! Totally drunk the koolaid.

[Grammarnut]

Listened to the whole interview. I nearly vomited.

[Helleofabore]

@Hoardasurass

Seems like karma is catching up with the soup thrower 😃https://twitter.com/KowalskiKit/status/1668546720203157505?s=20

Slaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!! Innit.

[Wahinewontwheesht]

However, the man who assaulted the elderly lady at Albert Park is getting a slap on the wrist.
https://twitter.com/SpeakUp4WomenNZ/status/1668446110598434819?cxt=HHwWhsDQ0bq5wacuAAAA

[Helleofabore]

I am sorry to hear that. Diversion for breaking an elderly woman’s skull. It also feels like permission for that violence to keep happening. It is justifying the violence in effect.

[ArabellaScott]

I'm glad to hear that the soup thrower has been prosecuted, and may perhaps start to understand that assaulting people is not okay.

Sorry to hear the man who assaulted the woman is not receiving the same treatment. The law is a very blunt instrument, sadly. And often wrong.

[dimorphism]

@Helleofabore

I am sorry to hear that. Diversion for breaking an elderly woman’s skull. It also feels like permission for that violence to keep happening. It is justifying the violence in effect.

Yes, this. It's basically ok to punch women in the face in NZ apparently if you don't like, presumably, anything about them, the way they think, the way they dress, how they look at you. Even if you get taken to court, the court will side with you and you'll get counselling basically. Seems from Iran to NZ women don't have human rights. This is why we have to fight NOW and HARD here in the UK because it's so easy for this to happen. We see it the world over, women losing or never having had human rights.

[RealityFan]

Quick update.

The man who punched the elderly woman in the face, has avoided a custodial sentence by promising to apologise the her and partaking in community service.

Sadly predictable.

[Wahinewontwheesht]

And to demonstrate how the whole system is captured in NZ… here’s the outcome of the Broadcasting Standards Authority regarding reporting on One News (TVNZ1).

Complaint not upheld. Have a read through how they have come to this conclusion. This is what we are up against in NZ.

https://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/all-decisions/colin-cross-complainant-television-new-zealand-ltd/?fbclid=IwAR0nq1Cfo1V2sq0WCg1nbMgX01yf4wvNB07Km7wXSOhlY9Eb811u7qCYA3A_aem_th_AWC9g8m8KGqrjwxi1ta6pKfnPI1eyfng8ivk6jYQTq6Jbhc0JHIeF_T8bbrltXAkWu8&mibextid=Zxz2cZ