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WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour

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Bosky · 24/03/2023 05:14

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour
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GlorianaCervixia · 25/03/2023 07:50

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 06:42

I am a woman in New Zealand and I’m perfectly happy for @gwrachod to speak. Her argument is cogent, her comments are germane, and unlike you she is actually contributing to the discussion.

Kindly take your own advice.

No, she's saying the same thing over and over again in order to rehash arguments that have been going on for years. She did it when the Let Women Speak events were in Australia (one of which I was actually at) and completely derailed the discussion, distracting from the women who were there. I'm quite entitled to say how frustrating I and many other women find that.

However I will take some of your advice and add something to the conversation. The New Zealand Bank ASB (owned by Australia's Commonwealth Bank) posted a rainbow flag on Instagram a few hours after women were assaulted with the caption "we stand by you". If that isn't a major financial institution approving and egging on the violence against women, then I don't know what it is.

https://twitter.com/rosey_nz/status/1639450814174593030?s=46&t=yENl0ZmIZrfkAPMMyVZq2A

https://twitter.com/rosey_nz/status/1639450814174593030?s=46&t=yENl0ZmIZrfkAPMMyVZq2A

GourmetLettuceMix · 25/03/2023 07:53

I am absolutely shocked by what happened today. The lack of condemnation by the media, by trans allies, of what happened is disgraceful. The media in this country are getting more and more biased, and I'm afraid that is because ever decreasing budgets mean journalists rely on social media for stories, rather than being able to fully investigate issues themselves. In addition, there are obviously edicts from the top to not upset a single fragile minority. I cannot comprehend how it has got to the point where these people have such power over the rest of us.

Kia kaha @Whaeanui. My thoughts are with you and other wāhine toa.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 07:56

Are you cheering on violence against women?

Why?

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 08:00

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 07:47

Would you mind telling us what they have just said? They have resorted to typing in Māori on threads.

Thank you.

He aha te kuia ka korero? He mea ngaro...

SinnerBoy · 25/03/2023 08:00

FOJN · Today 07:25I l

Most marginalised and oppressed my arse.

I think it's a Humpty Dumpty situation, where it means, "Screeching gobshites, given confidence by captured politicians and a sympathetic, dishonest press."

SinnerBoy · 25/03/2023 08:03

@landOFconfusion

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:03

Hi everyone

I have started a new thread as reading the OP, the derailing here is the very opposite of what Bosky intended.

Let’s respect that and move the derailing to the other thread. Because I know that the derailing will not stop on this thread without a thread for it to happen on.

I am not telling people what they have to do. But I am trying in my own clumsy way to respect Bosky’s thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4770726-standing-for-women-nz-tour-discussion-to-prevent-further-derailing-of-the-thread-for-centring-the-women

Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women) | Mumsnet

Mumsnet makes parents' lives easier by pooling knowledge, advice and support on everything from conception to childbirth, from babies to teenagers.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4770726-standing-for-women-nz-tour-discussion-to-prevent-further-derailing-of-the-thread-for-centring-the-women

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SinnerBoy · 25/03/2023 08:04

@landOFconfusion

He kuia au. He namu koe?

??? Indeed.

Yaken bassesem, qotak bas.

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 08:04

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 07:56

Are you cheering on violence against women?

Why?

I posted a link for a developing news story to a discussion about said news story.

Feel free to explain why posting a link without any added comments or commentary is considered to be ‘cheering on violence against women’.

SinnerBoy · 25/03/2023 08:06

Well, it's mainly because thats the tone of the article.

Appalonia · 25/03/2023 08:08

This de railing is so disheartening. The account from the pregnant woman who went to speak was very informative:

"I underestimated the hysteria that had been whipped up. I underestimated the police. I never seriously thought I would be in real actual danger attending a speaking event in New Zealand. I think Heather Du Plessis Allen asked earlier in the week – why was KJK invited here? Wasn’t it just inviting drama? Well let me answer that. KJK was invited here because she is me. She is a mother, and a woman who is fed up with the erosion of female-only spaces, fed up with being called a ‘menstruator’ or ‘pregnant person’ and fed up with watching young gender non-confirming or homosexual children being sterilised and mutilated. KJK was going to give ME a voice, a platform. KJK was invited here because I wanted to listen to her, and last time I checked, I’m allowed to do that. "

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:08

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MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 08:09

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 08:04

I posted a link for a developing news story to a discussion about said news story.

Feel free to explain why posting a link without any added comments or commentary is considered to be ‘cheering on violence against women’.

It’s a question based on all your posts here not just that link.

Would you rather women were / are allowed to speak or are you happy that the event ended early due to violence against women?

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:09

Heather Du Plessis Allen was the nz herald journalist who called Polynesians ‘leeches’ and kept her job

GlorianaCervixia · 25/03/2023 08:12

Please listen to this incredible woman’s account of what happened in Auckland. The bravery these women showed in helping PP get out safely is indescribable. https://twitter.com/auntyheihei/status/1639485586812829696?s=46&t=yENl0ZmIZrfkAPMMyVZq2A

https://twitter.com/auntyheihei/status/1639485586812829696?s=46&t=yENl0ZmIZrfkAPMMyVZq2A

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:15

GlorianaCervixia · 25/03/2023 08:12

Please listen to this incredible woman’s account of what happened in Auckland. The bravery these women showed in helping PP get out safely is indescribable. https://twitter.com/auntyheihei/status/1639485586812829696?s=46&t=yENl0ZmIZrfkAPMMyVZq2A

What a very brave woman!

Ohyoudodoyou · 25/03/2023 08:16

Well done to the women attending these meetings to speak out.
I admire you so much having see what has been played out in the last few days over in Australia and NZ.
It's been fascinating hearing the accounts from women involved over there.
We must stay strong and united - as awful as it has been to watch, rational and right minded people now see how much men hate women. There has been a lot of gratifying comments made on social media from ordinary people horrified by attacks on women.

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 08:17

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Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:19

Even if provoked but them goading and mocking our culture, don’t engage. I hope MN deal with this disgraceful and obvious display of racism

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:19

OldCrone · 25/03/2023 02:26

Exactly. And there have already been violent TRA protests at WPUK meetings. Remember this from the Labour Party conference a few years ago?

https://www.womenarehuman.com/police-do-nothing-as-rowdy-transgender-activists-terrorize-attendees-scream-kick-windows-at-womans-place-uk-meeting/

Did that happen because TRAs think WPUK are Nazis? Or because TRAs are a bunch of violent misogynist thugs?

Yes, I remember that well. I was there.

And yes, TRAs include many misogynist men, and their handmaidens. We know this.

That night was terrifying. One of the worst things about it was the lack of a response from the police. They just stood there and let the protesters kick the windows, and they didn't do anything to separate women and protesters, meaning women had to run the gauntlet through a visious mob, to get into the building.

But here's the thing. That's the worst it's been. Women in Brighton have continued to have public meetings, large and small, without this happening again. There have been protests, but smaller, contained and there has been a lot of careful planning to ensure women's safety.

What women haven't done is deliberately court controversy by speaking to the far right. If they did, you can be sure that the protests in Brighton would be huge, with not only TRAs turning out in their dozens, but also people who want to stand against fascism - exactly as happened yesterday in NZ.

The next biggest protest was when KJK turned up, despite many local feminists saying her presence was counter productive.

Yes, TRAs are misogynists, but yesterday's event was badly planned - it was close to the university, which locals are saying was the worst place they could hold it. And hundreds (or was it thousands? I saw 2k reported) turned up - not just dozens of TRAs.

KJK is a narcissist, she courts controversy, thrives on conflict and division and her agenda is not the same as the rest of us.

And this matters, as yesterday is the result.

One of her own stewards who knows her well said - before this latest shit show - that KJK's courting trouble for views, that she's putting women at risk, that the end game is to become a talking head in the US and that she'll walk over SFW women to get there, they're all just pawns to her.

What you lot are doing is projecting who you want her to be onto her. People do that with leaders, especially in times of trouble. There were posters on MN at the beginning of the pandemic saying they thought Boris was a good man who had the public's interest at heart. No evidence for this, they were seeing what they wanted to see.

KJK does a good impression of being a leader who cares about women. I used to love her for her plain speaking and I assumed she was the real deal too.

But it's a sham. She is toxic and dangerous to the cause and to the woman around her.

Those of us who keep banging on about it aren't part of some left wing plot. It's just that we've seen through her, and are raising the alarm. Many of us know her in real life. Once you see the emperor has no clothes on, you can't unsee it.

And while posters here are denying her courting of the far right - or blaming us for noticing it - she carries on doing it, right under your nose, and shit shows like yesterday - badly planned, risky events that are bound to bring out people standing against fascism in large numbers -AS WELL as the TRAs, will continue to happen, and women's safety will continue to be put at risk.

Yes, violent men are responsible for their own actions. But if you are organising events where those violent men are expected to show up, you are also responsible for planning them in such a way that the risk to women turning up in good faith is minimised. "It's men's fault, not my responsibility" while deliberately pouring fuel on the flames is not an acceptable risk assessment plan, nor analysis after the fact.

I'm sorry that this woman has done such a number on so many of you.

I love the format of women meeting and talking. I wish more women would realise they don't need KJK to make it happen.

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:20

This would of been what Ani O’Brien said at the event:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1639486246375542785

https://mobile.twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1639486246375542785

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:27

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Are you fucking serious? That's such a great idea. We could call it 'Let women speak', maybe with a few subtitles like 'let women of the correct political inclination speak' and 'let women speak so long as they don't say anything to piss off the men' and 'let women speak so long as they are careful to recite a list of all the baddies they denounce first' and 'let women speak only not short blonde women we don't like'.

Go for it. All the fucking best.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:32

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Is this meant to be funny? That’s exactly what they did. Or are you saying her male security are to blame?

I lived with an abuser for 12 years. You know what they do. They blame you for their behaviour. You shouldn’t have said anything. You embarrassed me. Why didn’t you just do what I asked? You provoked me. You said things you knew would make me angry. You wanted this.

on a feminism board. Jfc

ShirleyThePggywinkle · 25/03/2023 08:32

@Whaeanui thanks for the comments re the Herald. I’ve been here a number of years but of course don’t have the longer historical view of them like you do.

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