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WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour

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Bosky · 24/03/2023 05:14

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour
WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour
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ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:32

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:19

Even if provoked but them goading and mocking our culture, don’t engage. I hope MN deal with this disgraceful and obvious display of racism

More than happy to do so. Standing with you.

Honestly, I am heart sore for the women on New Zealand today. At least KJK gets to leave and come home.

May this be a turning point, and may the womens rights movement strengthen so that you are you eventually free to enjoy your lives in your beautiful country (that I has always hoped to visit) without the spectre of male violence.

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:33

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:27

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Are you fucking serious? That's such a great idea. We could call it 'Let women speak', maybe with a few subtitles like 'let women of the correct political inclination speak' and 'let women speak so long as they don't say anything to piss off the men' and 'let women speak so long as they are careful to recite a list of all the baddies they denounce first' and 'let women speak only not short blonde women we don't like'.

Go for it. All the fucking best.

You don't have to let the far right infiltrate your movement to have an open mic.

Plenty of other political campaigns manage it, by standing up to the far right.

This idea that it's a purity spiral to not let the far right muscle in, is bollocks.

And KJK's events are full of men. Male security front and centre, far right film crews, bovver boys looking for a fight, random drunk men who've wandered over from the pub. They are not women only events.

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:34

Bosky · 24/03/2023 05:14

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

Just drawing people’s attention to the OP.

We now have a new thread for general discussion. I believe that this thread was for only centring the women who spoke at the events.

https://twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1639416868564873218?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

https://twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1639416868564873218?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

WildIris · 25/03/2023 08:34

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:09

Heather Du Plessis Allen was the nz herald journalist who called Polynesians ‘leeches’ and kept her job

I’m South African and I am thoroughly embarrassed by Heather du Plessis Allen’s behaviour (in general, not just with this LetWomenSpeak event).

Solidarity with all the New Zealand women speaking out about their rights! ✊

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:35

What a lot of people say to abused women also, you could have done something about it. Plenty of women leave. You don’t have to put up with it.

that’s what you sound like @gwrachod

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:36

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:32

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Is this meant to be funny? That’s exactly what they did. Or are you saying her male security are to blame?

I lived with an abuser for 12 years. You know what they do. They blame you for their behaviour. You shouldn’t have said anything. You embarrassed me. Why didn’t you just do what I asked? You provoked me. You said things you knew would make me angry. You wanted this.

on a feminism board. Jfc

I'm so, so sorry you've experienced that. I have too.

But aligning the women's rights movement with the far right is a terrible move, strategically. It's not victim blaming to point that out, this is about a political campaign.

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:37

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:33

You don't have to let the far right infiltrate your movement to have an open mic.

Plenty of other political campaigns manage it, by standing up to the far right.

This idea that it's a purity spiral to not let the far right muscle in, is bollocks.

And KJK's events are full of men. Male security front and centre, far right film crews, bovver boys looking for a fight, random drunk men who've wandered over from the pub. They are not women only events.

Do it. Stop haranguing women here for not agreeing with and set the fucking thing up. I am deadly fucking serious. Put your money where your mouth is. Shit or get off the pot as the saying goes.

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:38

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:34

Just drawing people’s attention to the OP.

We now have a new thread for general discussion. I believe that this thread was for only centring the women who spoke at the events.

https://twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1639416868564873218?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Yes, I read that and respected it while the discussion was about the women speaking. I didn't join in until the discussion moved on.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 25/03/2023 08:38

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 00:13

All I see are women at the centre just wanting to speak and violent males and thugs who want to silence

There’s no I told you so. It’s abhorrent.

Well said marsha

i know there will be a lot of ‘we told you this would happen’ but I hate to break to those posters but I don’t think there is a poster on here who didnt know that something like this would happen eventually

it was obvious

and its fuck all to do with any ‘courting’ its down to violent men being violent men and mob mentality

NecessaryScene · 25/03/2023 08:39

But aligning the women's rights movement with the far right is a terrible move, strategically.

SO STOP DOING IT THEN, FFS...

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:43

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:20

This would of been what Ani O’Brien said at the event:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1639486246375542785

Eloquent and moving speech. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Helleofabore for the other thread. Great idea to keep this for its original purpose and apologies for derailing.

I hope we get to hear more from the women who were planning to speak in Aukland and Wellington.

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:44

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:38

Yes, I read that and respected it while the discussion was about the women speaking. I didn't join in until the discussion moved on.

And yet you continue here.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:46

Keep the focus on this thread on the women who would have spoken.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 25/03/2023 08:47

Oh god

disclaimer….i don’t hero worship KJK, my basic attitude to her is that I think she deserves the right to give her opinion (as do we all) and I think the premise of ‘let women speak’ is great

I absolutely agree that antifa and the far right basically just like a ruck and they are on no ones side

MrsMidClegs · 25/03/2023 08:49

Is the woman who was supposed punched in the face ok? If anyone here knows her please send her a lot of love.

Walkingtheplank · 25/03/2023 08:50

Does anyone know how this event has been reported on NZ news?

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 08:51

To the posters who have spent the god knows how many threads on KJK slagging her off, accusing her of being aligned with people she isn't. Of womaning wrong and then have the fucking audacity to come on here to gloat and victim blame the women who were assaulted yesterday by Trans Rights Activists thugs just for wanting to talk:

You are the ones who are aligned with the wrong people

You are the ones with the vile views

You are, using your logic, directly responsible for the assault of women yesterday

I how you're fucking proud of yourselves.

I am disgusted at your words on here overnight.

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 08:51

MrsMidClegs · 25/03/2023 08:49

Is the woman who was supposed punched in the face ok? If anyone here knows her please send her a lot of love.

Seems she was taken to hospital and 'Doctors are hopeful she hasn’t suffered any permanent damage to her eye '

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 08:53

Terribly, @Walkingtheplank . I'm in the Antipodes at the moment, so my Google brings up NZ and AU content first. It's all 'anti-trans activist' stuff. And the Wellington mayor called for an even bigger protest for the event there (now cancelled). On Twitter, some NZ idiot has posted details of the departing flight from Auckland tonight, along the lines of 'just saying' - clearly wanting ppl to turn up at the airport.

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 08:55

Also utter minimising of what happened - describing it as 'scuffles'.

When I'm back in the UK I'm going to every LWS event I can, and will be wearing a body camera. I have a press card so will go as a journo.

EndlessTea · 25/03/2023 09:00

I don’t know if this is the right thread. But I feel pretty shaken to see the images of KJK making her way to the car. It really reminded me of the expressions on people’s faces and the red matted hair from 7/7 or war zones or natural disasters.

In some footage, I saw just now, of the police surrounding the car for her to leave, hardly any police had been deployed - their safety had been compromised by whoever made that decision. They looked disorderly and scared by the mob.

Was nobody in authority calling for peace and order?

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 25/03/2023 09:00

gwrachod · 25/03/2023 08:19

Yes, I remember that well. I was there.

And yes, TRAs include many misogynist men, and their handmaidens. We know this.

That night was terrifying. One of the worst things about it was the lack of a response from the police. They just stood there and let the protesters kick the windows, and they didn't do anything to separate women and protesters, meaning women had to run the gauntlet through a visious mob, to get into the building.

But here's the thing. That's the worst it's been. Women in Brighton have continued to have public meetings, large and small, without this happening again. There have been protests, but smaller, contained and there has been a lot of careful planning to ensure women's safety.

What women haven't done is deliberately court controversy by speaking to the far right. If they did, you can be sure that the protests in Brighton would be huge, with not only TRAs turning out in their dozens, but also people who want to stand against fascism - exactly as happened yesterday in NZ.

The next biggest protest was when KJK turned up, despite many local feminists saying her presence was counter productive.

Yes, TRAs are misogynists, but yesterday's event was badly planned - it was close to the university, which locals are saying was the worst place they could hold it. And hundreds (or was it thousands? I saw 2k reported) turned up - not just dozens of TRAs.

KJK is a narcissist, she courts controversy, thrives on conflict and division and her agenda is not the same as the rest of us.

And this matters, as yesterday is the result.

One of her own stewards who knows her well said - before this latest shit show - that KJK's courting trouble for views, that she's putting women at risk, that the end game is to become a talking head in the US and that she'll walk over SFW women to get there, they're all just pawns to her.

What you lot are doing is projecting who you want her to be onto her. People do that with leaders, especially in times of trouble. There were posters on MN at the beginning of the pandemic saying they thought Boris was a good man who had the public's interest at heart. No evidence for this, they were seeing what they wanted to see.

KJK does a good impression of being a leader who cares about women. I used to love her for her plain speaking and I assumed she was the real deal too.

But it's a sham. She is toxic and dangerous to the cause and to the woman around her.

Those of us who keep banging on about it aren't part of some left wing plot. It's just that we've seen through her, and are raising the alarm. Many of us know her in real life. Once you see the emperor has no clothes on, you can't unsee it.

And while posters here are denying her courting of the far right - or blaming us for noticing it - she carries on doing it, right under your nose, and shit shows like yesterday - badly planned, risky events that are bound to bring out people standing against fascism in large numbers -AS WELL as the TRAs, will continue to happen, and women's safety will continue to be put at risk.

Yes, violent men are responsible for their own actions. But if you are organising events where those violent men are expected to show up, you are also responsible for planning them in such a way that the risk to women turning up in good faith is minimised. "It's men's fault, not my responsibility" while deliberately pouring fuel on the flames is not an acceptable risk assessment plan, nor analysis after the fact.

I'm sorry that this woman has done such a number on so many of you.

I love the format of women meeting and talking. I wish more women would realise they don't need KJK to make it happen.

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

I love the format of women meeting and talking. I wish more women would realise they don't need KJK to make it happen.

What if someone organised women-only speaking events? That'd be wonderful, and it'd mean there would be no confusion as to whether the violent men should be there or not.

Great. Then why haven't you, and when will you?

(That's a singular, personal "you", by the way - not a sneery, faux-collective guilt-stoking, textbook misogynist "you lot".)

Walkingtheplank · 25/03/2023 09:06

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 08:53

Terribly, @Walkingtheplank . I'm in the Antipodes at the moment, so my Google brings up NZ and AU content first. It's all 'anti-trans activist' stuff. And the Wellington mayor called for an even bigger protest for the event there (now cancelled). On Twitter, some NZ idiot has posted details of the departing flight from Auckland tonight, along the lines of 'just saying' - clearly wanting ppl to turn up at the airport.

That's dreadful.

I am flabbergasted that so much of the 'western world' is captured and prepared to incite violence.

twitterexile · 25/03/2023 09:08

Fallingirl · 25/03/2023 03:41

I hope, also, that some of you now understand that the lefty women (who know a think or two about campaigning, fascists and antifa) have not been criticising KJK because we're jealous, but because we feared exactly this would happen.

These things or two you know about campaigning, fascists and antifa would then mean that you knew exactly what you were doing when you started the ugly slurs and lies that Kellie-Jay ever had any kind of “alignment” with far right groups.

When the lies about the heritage foundation died down you started on the HoO lies.
When that was about to die down you made sure to reignite them.

Handing men’s rights activists a handy weapon to use against all GC women. When men doing Nazi salutes turned up at an event, oddly supported by police, you cranked the accusations up another 100 notches.

and here we now are. Auckland this evening. And you have the nerve to claim you were warning about this, that you feared this would happen? You have been doing your stupid best to create this situation, undoubtedly without predicting how brutal it would get. Because you don’t actually know anything about “fascists and antifa”. You also don’t understand that ince you unleash something, you cannot control what an angry mob will do with it. You cannot put that genie back in the bottle.

You set this chain of events in motion. I suspect that is the reason so many AGCL people are out tonight, victim blaming left right and centre.

Superb post.

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