WOMEN SPEAKING - Let Women Speak - Australia & NZ tour

[Bosky]

Despite many pleas, the original thread was hijacked by people (mostly from the UK) who displayed ZERO interest in watching, appreciating and discussing the ACTUAL SPEECHES:

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

IMHO This was profoundly disrespectful to the OP, @ZombieMumEB, who said she hoped to attend some of the events, to Mumsnetters (particularly Australians and New Zealanders) who wanted to discuss the speeches and to the brave, articulate and impassioned women who gave the speeches.

This thread is to discuss the WOMEN SPEAKING.

Please direct complaints about KJK to one of the perennial "We hate Posie" threads.

If you are a UK socfem with a genuine interest in discussing the socfem approach to re-educating the Labour Party, ie. rather than complaining about KJK, start a new thread. This one is about and for the women in Australia and New Zealand who spoke at the #LetWomenSpeak events

Rather than engage with derailments, can we please agree to report them or ignore them?

Australian live streams

Sydney - Sat 11th

Brisbane - Sun 12th

Perth - Tues 14th (see video for Chapters)
Intro (KJK)
Women in Australia (KJK)
Women Speak (KJK)
Sophia Mormont
The Truth
Grandmother
Trans Activist (KJK)
Trans Rights (KJK)
Change Rooms
Im Australia (KJK + Speaker)
Kelly Jane
Maggie (several Speakers)

Adelaide - Thurs 16th

Melbourne - Sat 18th

Melbourne Post Event Chat
(Moira Deering MP, KJK, Katherine Deves, Angie Jones)

Happy Mothers Day! - Sun 19th (KJK)

New Zealand Mon 20th (KJK update)
(Zip-fiddling misrepresented as "White Supremacy" signal)

Hobart - Tues 21st

Canberra Tomorrow - Wed 22nd (KJK update)

Canberra - Thurs 23rd

New Zealand Here I Come (KJK update)

NZ TBC

Auckland - Sat 25th
Wellington Sun 26th

NZ Free Speech Union - 23 March
Justice Gendall has rejected the application to overrule the decision by Immigration New Zealand to allow entry for @/ThePosieParker into the country.
This is the only right result for a nation that values tolerance, the ability to debate, and free speech.
https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639045241360781312

ThePosieParker - 24 March
Free speech is not an easy principle to uphold, but it is worth protecting. Without it democracy dies.
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639078293990252547

I wonder @landOFconfusion if you will answer honestly.

Are you male?

And by the way, you have already shown on this board that you speak over Māori women posters. Why should any woman on this board consider your contribution about New Zealand culture to be credible.

Speaking over a Māori woman on a feminist board showed posters then what kind of ‘woman’ you were.

They also claim to support LGB people yet shamelessly victim blamed Fred Sargeant when he, a man of around 70 years old, was severely assaulted while peacefully protesting a Pride event which he was one of the founders of.

They have continued to post in the same way and be deleted many times across multiple threads.

I’ve got up and came here to check how the event had gone. What a horrifying turn of events. Those poor women must have been terrified.
The TRA supporters but you come across as a hateful, unhinged mob.

The persistent ‘if only KJK had just denounced the nazis’ posters can just fuck off too. Maybe reflect on how you are coming across this morning…

Whaeanui thank you again for your posting on this thread. Solidarity. I’m sorry as an English person in the UK for the injustice you’ve faced.

I’m disgusted by the people still posting lies on this thread. I’m very alarmed by newspapers whipping this up in NZ. And international social media amplifying misogyny. At this point it’s incitement to misogynistic violence. Let Women Speak.

You clearly cannot see that you are actively blaming a woman for men’s violence.

If you don’t understand how you have reached this point, that is your issue. But this post is all about blaming a woman for men’s violence. At least be honest enough to own that.

The gloating over violence against women is a tough read.

Here and elsewhere. Is it any violence against women that is attractive or just this kind

@Whaeanui why do you feel the NZ Herald is right wing? I live here (immigrant) and they seem to be very left wing to me. Totally in the government’s pocket (quite literally in terms of funding) and generally very much in favour of pushing the labour and green ideologies. However I stopped reading it so maybe I’m missing something so I’d be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

To the PP asking what the everyday NZers think about it all, I haven’t spoken to many people today but it’ll be interesting to see/hear any comments next week when the work week starts again.

my heart feels very heavy today. This is a very divided country on several issues.

@Slothtoes thank you. It’s not uncommon for Maori women like myself to be completely ignored, as you all can see I am being ignored on this thread by a supposedly fellow kiwi women who is blaming women there, including Maori and Pasifika women both as speakers and security. It is my life story, being ignored. It’s also not uncommon for pakeha to wade in and blame us for violence, it has happened at more protests than I can count. I have protested in the UK too btw, and it doesn’t happen like that here. I’ve never been afraid protesting in the UK like I have been in NZ. I was part of the campaign for gay rights and gay marriage which in the early days was pretty unpleasant. MPs actually compared homosexuals to animals. I used to get followed by groups of men because they knew I lived with gay men, my housemates, and I got street harassment for it. But I guess that’s my own fault too.

I don’t know why these derailers aren’t happy with Posies repeated statements denouncing Nazis. Nothing else should be necessary. It’s like going to a Muslim event and being angry they didn’t denounce terrorists. There’s no link between them, just like there’s no link between women’s rights campaigners and Nazis.

Is that water being thrown on them, directly into that steward’s face?

Is that considered assault in NZ?

The violent acts of last night were shameful. The lack of police action must be answered for.

Whaeanui

Thank you for your posts.

Is your mum OK?

MarshaBradyo · Today 07:10

The gloating over violence against women is a tough read.

It's bad enough from the nasty, cowardly men, who hide behind a keyboard, or the authority of office, but it's dismaying to so many women joining in to crow.

I was part of the campaign for gay rights and gay marriage which in the early days was pretty unpleasant.

They keep telling us this is an extension of the fight for LGB rights but I don't remember LGB campaigners resorting to violence and attacking people when they protested, if anything they were at risk themselves and yet here we have the TQ behaving like fascist thugs, enabled by the police.

Most marginalised and oppressed my arse.

@FOJN my mother was there but fortunately safe. She usually takes some big guys with her to things like this. I haven’t spoken yet. We’re more concerned with the Maori woman who got doxxed, completely, she’s from the same Maori wahine group that had a lady speak in Melbourne I believe it was. They I guess saw them speak and decided to punish them. Massey uni had a FOI request about me once when Standing For Women had an event with Meghan Murphy cancelled there and someone heard local iwi wahine had written in support of the event, some Kuia ( elders ) were attending too and they wanted names.

NZ Herald is overall historically more to the right. Ardern’s popularity made them feel a bit left out. I don’t consider being woke or pro current Labour govt to be left wing though. Also don’t forget every media outlet that agreed to only print the governments covid messaging, got paid from a covid media fund. They’re in their pocket because they paid them to be.

@landOFconfusion

I am a woman in New Zealand and I’m perfectly happy for ... to speak.

A woman, you say? You don't come across like a woman to me.

Her argument is cogent, her comments are germane, and unlike you she is actually contributing to the discussion.

Argument? Repeating a lot of repeatedly debunked rubbish does not constitute an argument; it is argumentative, of course.

And yes, the fight for gay rights was met with violence. This fight for women’s rights is being met with violence. Trans self ID rights are not compatible with gay rights or women’s rights. The mob in Auckland don’t know their history, most wouldn’t have been born when people like me fought for their right to speak, to live their life without fear. This is the thanks we get

He kuia au. He namu koe?

“I hope, also, that some of you now understand that the lefty women (who know a think or two about campaigning, fascists and antifa) have not been criticising KJK because we're jealous, but because we feared exactly this would happen.”

Earlier this week, I posted that some groups of socialist feminists were as ideologically driven and lacking perspective as extreme trans activists.

I see a paragraph such as this and it is a stark reminder that a group of women have gone so far in their hatred of a woman who does things differently. A woman that allows and supports free speech.

Feminists blaming women for the actions of men who cannot control their own violent reactions to women speaking words they don’t like.

All because a woman allows women of any political alignment to speak at a free public event, where people of any political alignment can listen and report about the event.

“I hope, also, that some of you now understand that the lefty women (who know a think or two about campaigning, fascists and antifa) have not been criticising KJK because we're jealous, but because we feared exactly this would happen.”

I think people reading along and having seen what has happened and on unpicking of what has built up the foundations that enabled this violence will not see what you think they will see.

Because reasonable people don’t blame women for the actions of violent men.

Anti-trans activist Posie Parker leaves NZ after chaotic Auckland rally

@landOFconfusion wtf is wrong with you?

Sorry Bosky, I just reread your post, I shall start another thread.

Would you mind telling us what they have just said? They have resorted to typing in Māori on threads.

Thank you.