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They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1638373051061633025?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

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Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:27

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:15

I think you cross posted as they posted just before you
How they can post that and be in agreement with it, that that's ok, utterly baffles me.

I think that much baffles you to be fair.

So, tell us.... do you support male who have benefited from testosterone competing against females in sports?

I am just trying to work out what it is that you think.

EdithStourton · 22/03/2023 13:28

This thread, what I have read of it, is fucking enraging.

A politician calls women 'turds' and immediately we get a 'Look! Squirrel!' from one of our TRA regulars and off we all go on a bloody merry-go-round about Nazis - when KJK has made it crystal clear that she has no time for them. You could as well argue that because Hitler was a vegetarian, all veggies must therefore be Nazi-adjacent. Because Hitler couldn't bear cruelty to animals, anyone concerned with animal welfare shares his views. And so on.

And as for the nit-wit poster upthread with a comment about how the lovely Aussies were escaping hidebound attitudes unlike the 'gammons' they left behind, and trying to build something more progressive - you've clearly heard of the white Australia policy. Took till 1973 to get shot of that one.

Back to the point, a politician likens women to shit. But apparently we should be ignoring that.

DialSquare · 22/03/2023 13:29

The Nazis benefited the TRAs and the TRAs benefited the Nazis by giving them the conflictual event on which they thrive.

Women lost out by their presence, but sure it’s the women who are “aligned” with them🙄.

Exactly.

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:29

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:27

You've posted some YouTube vid which isn't loading for me, I'm just getting a whirly circle.

Can you seriously not articulate in your own words? Really?

You should know it's better to refer to the primary source when you have it rather than depend on a secondary source, right?

It's not rocket science.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 13:29

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:48

Nope, I didn’t try to make anyone guilty by association/proximity.
I’m saying don’t put people on a pedestal, don’t defend nazis when they turn up.

Is this a new unfounded accusation? People are defending Nazis when they show up?

The Posie Parker haters have lie about everything.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:30

Perfectly summed up @EdithStourton

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:30

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:25

https://www.youtube.com/live/qKvpwpfX7-g?feature=share

Try watching from 9.40 of this Posie Parker link

Oh. We are repeating things ?

Ok

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.

Start

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

_

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

They are enabled because women and girls are told they cannot make complaints about males exposing their penises in female single sex spaces that those males have a right to be there.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

She has not said she 'hates trans people'. She has not even said that all trans people are like that.

But this is the second time you have posted this link as if it is evidence of some kind.

End of repeat...

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:30

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:21

It's laughable that you need a handhold to see prejudice and bigotry standing in front of you in plain sight.

WHERE? GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

Oh for crying out loud 🤣
Then you wonder why there's laughing emojis? It's at this shit, you're demonstrating perfectly!
You couldn't make it up.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:31

@suggestionsplease1 word salad for 'I can't articulate it myself so I'll just post some YouTube video'.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 13:31

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 12:54

A previous poster was defending the nazis who showed up because they were there on the grounds of being ‘anti peado’ and that I shouldn’t assume their wider political views.

Oh the lying liars that lie.

That's you. A lying liar that lies.

Have you nothing that's true you can say?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:32

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 13:17

TBH, Jujuj, there are lots of things that KJK says that I disagree with. I don't really listen to her videos much. I often like her events because women speak very movingly about their experiences.

The issue here, though, is that a politician has called women excrement. I find that hugely alarming.

And also that women speaking and meeting has once again been turned into a circus. Nazis attended, TRAs attacked people, yet for some reason, these people get off with a shrug, and as ever, its the women who are getting berated, smeared, slurred, accused, and asked to 'denounce' various irrelevant heinous beliefs.

I can agree this thread got massively derailed, but there’s no argument there really. Any politician/person saying that is abhorrent.

The whole circus surrounded that event/KJK (the WHOLE debate even) is a shit show. I’m calling out KJK though, and a few of her supporters that think she can do no wrong.. Not calling out ‘women’ in general. Not even GC feminists in general.

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:33

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:30

Oh. We are repeating things ?

Ok

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.

Start

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

_

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

They are enabled because women and girls are told they cannot make complaints about males exposing their penises in female single sex spaces that those males have a right to be there.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

She has not said she 'hates trans people'. She has not even said that all trans people are like that.

But this is the second time you have posted this link as if it is evidence of some kind.

End of repeat...

Thanks for that, saves me finding the transcript again 👍

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:33

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:29

You should know it's better to refer to the primary source when you have it rather than depend on a secondary source, right?

It's not rocket science.

No where have I said that people should not watch the video though.

I always am upfront about people seeking out original sources.

They will see that I have not actually done a biased job on the transcript the way you did on the previous thread. Where you removed quite a lot of the text and then presented it as a 'see! see! look here!' with no explanation that back up your claim then.

But do crack on with this tactic because despite your trying to portray this as 'this is so obvious', this video doesn't say what you wish that it says.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 13:33

You should know it's better to refer to the primary source

Not always, not when you don't know what exactly is the claim being made, or how said source is supposed to back it up. Presumably you can explain it? I can't watch the video either, it doesn't work.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:34

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:33

Thanks for that, saves me finding the transcript again 👍

Your transcript that you hacked out bits in?

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:34

The Posie Parker haters have lie about everything
I for one dont hate her, I dont even know her.
I just dont agree with her on her views against trans people.
What the poster is trying to say (I think) is that hero worship (which some do, not all!) because of this one issue is not healthy.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:34

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:33

Thanks for that, saves me finding the transcript again 👍

And now you have no excuse for not pointing out exactly what you are referring to.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:34

@CremeEggQueen I'm not wondering why there are laughing emojis. They sum up your posts perfectly. Although this one sums up your posts - which are nothing more than hot air - more for most of us reading - 😩😩😩

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:35

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 13:29

Is this a new unfounded accusation? People are defending Nazis when they show up?

The Posie Parker haters have lie about everything.

Don't your views align with theirs? mine do. Their only sign was anti peado. You are uncomfortable with being anti peado?

This is what I was referring to

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 13:33

You should know it's better to refer to the primary source

Not always, not when you don't know what exactly is the claim being made, or how said source is supposed to back it up. Presumably you can explain it? I can't watch the video either, it doesn't work.

If you Google Posie Parker ' The cowardice of women" you might be able to find another link to it?

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:35

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:34

The Posie Parker haters have lie about everything
I for one dont hate her, I dont even know her.
I just dont agree with her on her views against trans people.
What the poster is trying to say (I think) is that hero worship (which some do, not all!) because of this one issue is not healthy.

Nor is blind following of misinformation to portray someone falsely 'healthy'.

Or do you think that it is a healthy trait in an adult?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:35

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 13:31

Oh the lying liars that lie.

That's you. A lying liar that lies.

Have you nothing that's true you can say?

Are you ok?

Thelnebriati · 22/03/2023 13:36

The issue is 'should politicians use derogatory comments about a group of citizens?'

Lets not let the derailers trash yet another thread.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2023 13:36

I've seen it before. You're going to have to say what your point is.

EdithStourton · 22/03/2023 13:37

Can we all at least agree that Nazis are bad?
That KJK has said she doesn't like Nazis?
That agreeing with someone about one thing (in this case, that paedos should be kept away from children) does not mean that you agree with everything else (or indeed anything else) that they stand for?
That someone with whom you have one point of agreement turning up at your rally doesn't mean you agree with anything else that they stand for?

And then can we get back to discussing a political who calls women shit? And thinks he's being witty about it?