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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

723 replies

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1638373051061633025?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

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ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 13:11

Oh, yeah we had 'Thought? Thought?! And what did thought do? planted a feather and thought it would grow into a chicken!'

She always was a daft one, that headie.

washingmachineheart · 22/03/2023 13:12

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 10:20

Don't your views align with theirs? mine do. Their only sign was anti peado. You are uncomfortable with being anti peado?

To the poster - sorry I’m on mobile and can’t see who to @ - asking where in the thread someone minimised the Nazi’s presence because the sign they chose to bring to the event has an agreeable message.

And as KJK is comfortable calling trans supporters a groomer and a troomer on her public Twitter account I don’t think the leap to connect the far right (who saluted in front of trans people) and certain members of the GC movement’s ideas about just who the “peados” are is an unrealistic one.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:12

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:07

You are the one on this thread who has even failed to acknowledge that the National Socialist Network, or Neo-nazis, spent at least half of their time down with the Victorian Socialists.
Ok, so what if they did, then? Does it really matter where they stood, if the rally being held is speaking their belief?!
I can acknowledge that, why cant or won't you acknowledge what we're saying?!

Because you cannot support your use of "on the side of" either via physical proximity and positioning OR beliefs that you personally also share.

"I can acknowledge that, why cant or won't you acknowledge what we're saying?!"

What are you actually saying?

For instance, CremeEgg do you fully support males with the advantages of testosterone competing in female sporting teams?

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 13:12

DialSquare · 22/03/2023 13:04

Has anyone who believes that the event was aligned with neo nazis actuality listened to any of the women speaking? If so, do you genuinely think they are aligned with neo nazis and also deserved to be associated with excrement?

I think it was Sall Grover on Twitter who pointed out that the only people to benefit from the presence of the Nazis are the Nazis and the trans activists. Their presence has meant that women’s voices and the messages they wished to convey have been roundly ignored. Their presence has also meant some women are more intimidated (see politicians being advised it’s not safe to attend in Canberra.) Their presence has been of huge benefit to TRAs, because no one wants to talk about the fact there’s a rapist in a women’s prison in Victoria right now.

The Nazis benefited the TRAs and the TRAs benefited the Nazis by giving them the conflictual event on which they thrive.

Women lost out by their presence, but sure it’s the women who are “aligned” with them🙄.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 13:13

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MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2023 13:13

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:11

Exactly
They've got to know.
Surely.
Which is why I just refuse with some "educate me" shit.
No.
Been there, done that.
Occasionally get someone genuinely wanting to learn, 9 times out of 10 they dont want to listen at all - as they agree with the views being shown, whether it be homophobia, racism, or transphobia.
They just dont want to say it out loud

Doesn’t the use of excrement as a term for women trouble you?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:13

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:07

The transcript from the "men with guns should use women's toilets" video.

Is this what you are talking about? If not, please be very specific what you are talking about.

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

It is yet another extreme bad faith interpretation that was actually started by the extreme trans activists, let's remember that.

Now, do I agree with her calling for men to use the women's toilets. No. But I can see what she is trying to achieve here.

And it is NOT for man with guns to specifically enter women's toilets.... with their guns!

It is making the point about those men who seek to protect their family members by carrying guns as one way they do that.

"Maybe you carry, maybe you don't."

Or can people not read the 'maybe you don't'.

Ok for me, I’d interpret this as a call to violence against trans women.

I understand she’s mocking the idea of self id. But she’s talking (/joking about it to make a point) about men entering women’s spaces with GUNS.

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:15

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:08

What’s the context?
Serious question.

Help me see it.

I think you cross posted as they posted just before you
How they can post that and be in agreement with it, that that's ok, utterly baffles me.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 13:15

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:56

Educate you.
Why?
Cant you do that yourself?
That's what the usual stance is, as in why should people be expected to spoon feed you?
Its not a radical stance to take to read opinions and first hand experiences from the "other side," that used to be the norm!
People totally should

I had a tiny bet with myself that 'do your own research' or some variation would be the response, and you didn't disappoint. You got defensive as well, which is another standard deflection from the fact that you don't actually have anything but bluster.

I'll tell you why I asked, though. A poster made an assertion. I asked for evidence to back it up. You can't or won't produce evidence. Why therefore should I believe that assertion or believe what you're saying? that's standard in a conversation. Educating someone - in this case providing backup for your beliefs - isn't spoon feeding them. It's saying, here's why I said what I did, now you can decide for yourself if what I said has merit or is a load of old hokum. Who knows, had that poster provided links I might even have been convinced that what s/he is saying is true.

Missed opportunity there.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:15

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:08

What’s the context?
Serious question.

Help me see it.

No. This is your rodeo.

You have made the claim. support it.

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:16

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:13

Ok for me, I’d interpret this as a call to violence against trans women.

I understand she’s mocking the idea of self id. But she’s talking (/joking about it to make a point) about men entering women’s spaces with GUNS.

Same and agree

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:16

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:15

No. This is your rodeo.

You have made the claim. support it.

Yes I responded to the transcript, which is absolutely batshit, sorry

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 13:17

TBH, Jujuj, there are lots of things that KJK says that I disagree with. I don't really listen to her videos much. I often like her events because women speak very movingly about their experiences.

The issue here, though, is that a politician has called women excrement. I find that hugely alarming.

And also that women speaking and meeting has once again been turned into a circus. Nazis attended, TRAs attacked people, yet for some reason, these people get off with a shrug, and as ever, its the women who are getting berated, smeared, slurred, accused, and asked to 'denounce' various irrelevant heinous beliefs.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:17

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:15

No. This is your rodeo.

You have made the claim. support it.

I was expecting a more nuanced wider context but no

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:20

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 13:11

Exactly
They've got to know.
Surely.
Which is why I just refuse with some "educate me" shit.
No.
Been there, done that.
Occasionally get someone genuinely wanting to learn, 9 times out of 10 they dont want to listen at all - as they agree with the views being shown, whether it be homophobia, racism, or transphobia.
They just dont want to say it out loud

It's like...

' but whyyyyyyyyuy does 2+2=4?!?

I don't understand 😭

You need to explain it to meeeeeee!!!

I don't know where you are getting your evidence from, waahhh'

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 13:20

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:13

Ok for me, I’d interpret this as a call to violence against trans women.

I understand she’s mocking the idea of self id. But she’s talking (/joking about it to make a point) about men entering women’s spaces with GUNS.

“Infamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it in for me!”

Give over. You’re only interpreting it that way because you don’t want to admit you’re wrong. Instead, you’d rather look stupid.

She’s clearly pointing out that protecting women and girls and calling yourself a protector is about doing something worthwhile, not just carrying a gun to make yourself look tough. And that worthwhile thing is to point out the idiocy of self ID by self IDing.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:21

It's laughable that you need a handhold to see prejudice and bigotry standing in front of you in plain sight.

WHERE? GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 13:22

PS, they won't respond. They can't.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:22

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 13:13

Ok for me, I’d interpret this as a call to violence against trans women.

I understand she’s mocking the idea of self id. But she’s talking (/joking about it to make a point) about men entering women’s spaces with GUNS.

She IS pushing back against self id. Why would you expect her not to?

If you wish to look at this with the bluntness that you seem to have adopted, she is not 'calling for men to go in with GUNS'.

She is saying that men who wish to protect their families to go into female single sex spaces. Now, I don't agree with that.

If you read the transcript she is clearly talking about men who want to 'defend' their families. And some of those men carry guns.

If you wish to twist it to suit your bad faith interpretation as supported by PN, go for it.

But others can now read it and make the decision for themselves.

Pushing back against self ID is not 'hating trans people'. And many trans people are also pushing back against self ID.

Believe it or not, some trans people who come and post here on FWR also respect women enough not to use female single sex spaces. I know it is hard to understand if you have such a polarised view of these things.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:23

@suggestionsplease1 2+2=4. That's an example, clear as day. You haven't for anything else and the constant deflection when asked for receipts is what's making you look pretty foolish.

Waitwhat23 · 22/03/2023 13:24

JanesLittleGirl · 22/03/2023 12:57

Is there a prize for the most derailed thread of the year?

I'm always grimly amused at those posters who will consistently show up on Posie Parker/pronoun/diversity training type threads with the intent of a derailing spree (and presumably the added bonus of insincere hand wringing) but are conspicuously absent on threads addressing convicted male sex offenders in female prisons, girls being assaulted by boys in mixed sex toilets and threads following legal cases etc etc.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:24

suggestionsplease1 · 22/03/2023 13:20

It's like...

' but whyyyyyyyyuy does 2+2=4?!?

I don't understand 😭

You need to explain it to meeeeeee!!!

I don't know where you are getting your evidence from, waahhh'

Please do keep going Suggestions, because just like the last time you posted it and couldn't explain, it merely makes you look like you can only ever think in polarised terms and may even have a comprehension issue - maybe due to your own prejudice.

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 13:25

I mean it’s amazing that she can apparently mean enter women’s spaces with guns even though the word “guns” isn’t once spoken and it’s amazing how she can mean violence towards trans people when neither violence nor trans people are mentioned.

The bingo card is almost full. Just need the “turned me into a newt” claim.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 13:27

You've posted some YouTube vid which isn't loading for me, I'm just getting a whirly circle.

Can you seriously not articulate in your own words? Really?