Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

Oh sorry those pictures are drawing a parallel between the Chapman Brothers disturbing sculptures and one of the performers at CBR.

Quite. It also strengthens the idea that, if something doesn't concern you personally then it isn't a safeguarding issue.

You can be a fan of those things as an artform and still understand it's inappropriate and unsuitable for babies and children.

I love rock and metal as an artform but I wouldn't take a baby to see Iron Maiden.

That's another thing. Do they have to be DBS checked?

Does anyone else really want to correct the “it’s” in their statement to “its”? 😬

Maybe they should spend less time flashing fetish underwear at babies and more time learning basic grammar.

But plenty of people do take their babies to rock concerts etc e.g Slipknot.

The argument seems to be purely around those who see Drag as always sexualised, and those who do not. If you do, I understand why you would question if its appropriate.

I did once take an almost 13 year old to see Slayer but we were on a VIP balcony & he wore ear protection and spent most of the gig reading Harry Potter via a small torch mounted on a pair of spectacles.

Also, Slayer kept all their clothes on and didn’t do any pole dancing.

There may well be drag performers who aren't sexualised. But this isn't one of them.

The bloke is wearing BDSM gear and swinging off a rope ffs !!

The argument, "I'm a fan of it, so it's OK for babies", just isn't very convincing...

Even if we allow that drag is sometimes non-sexual, that doesn't mean much for this particular show.

This is bullshit.

Most (possibly all, obvs I can’t make that without checking) indoor live music events have a minimum age.
Usually when you buy a ticket it says no under 14s and no refunds given

Small children can go to outdoor events but need to wear ear protection.

Plus, a sweaty drummer with his top off, at the back of a stage, completely separate to the audience, isn’t remotely comparable to this:

But this act would not be booked for children over 1. The screengrabs are for the events aimed at parents with babies, FOR the parents.

If you look at their other content, the shows for older children are different - no nudity etc as that is not appropriate.

I remember chatting to this bloke about a v ‘cool’ couple of friends he had, who would have pornography on the telly downstairs and wouldn’t switch it off with their kids in the room.

I was trying to explain about how it is damaging, but this guy couldn’t see it. His friends thought there’s nothing wrong with sex, nothing to be ashamed of, so they had their kids watching pornography from birth.

Other people won’t see what is wrong with sex-industry derived entertainment for kids.

Its bound to be there are some who can’t see it, otherwise you wouldn’t get these cults where children are ritually abused. It would be stopped before it got to that.

The couple keeping the porn playing with the kids in the room are breaking the law. They are committing child sex abuse.

How can people not understand this?

Anyone who’s taken their child to these shows should be receiving a visit from social services. It’s just grooming of the silly women and their poor children.

Thats a hard 'No' from me. I think you would struggle to find anyone who would agree with that, so not sure if its appropriate to compare.

It's completely appropriate. Child sex abuse is child sex abuse. The show these babies are being subjected to and the porn on tv the children are being subjected to. Same thing just different location.

There's also the danger to children from other children who been exposed to adult sexuality. I think I'm correct in saying children being inappropriately sexual is a red flag for abuse. So, it's not a case of if you don't like it, don't go. This is potentially risky for all children.

Really?

This isn't a conspiracy theory you have blown open.

Children under one have eyes and ears!

Why are they aiming this at children? Why?

So a man in bondage gear with nipple tassels isn't sexualised?

I'm wondering what IS sexualised in your opinion?

And no I'm not buying that this is not specifically aimed at babies, the clue is in the name of the event.

If these mothers want to go to a drag event they can do so without their babies.

As for the ages of the infants, is someone ID checking them as they come in. Looking at the pictures the 'entertainers' seem very keen on getting up and close to the babies, which is weird if it is a show all about the mothers!

Well this cool couple and their friend who I spoke to agreed.

Its all about a context of normalisation.

Yes. There’s a concert series called ‘for crying out loud’ where parents can take babies to hear live classical music without worrying about pissing off other audience members. They talk about the value of listening to music from when you are very young.

The experiences you have when you are pre-verbal are very powerful and forming, even if you can’t remember them later.

The children in these pictures aren’t oblivious newborns.

Baby cinema is designed for the babies to sleep through, either in their prams or in slings or in their mam’s laps. The films play more quietly than usual to facilitate this, and the low, safety exit lights are kept on so mums can see just enough to feed babies to sleep while mum watches the film

These babies are not sleeping in prams, or slings. They are sat up in the front row facing the performers.

It’s completely disingenuous to compare this to a mother and baby movie showing.

The pubs tagged in the images all need to be investigated by their licensing authority.

Yes really!

And have no idea what your second line is on about.

I mean, you've seen the same pictures as we have on this thread. If you don't recognise them as sexualised, what would it need to be to be sexualised in your eyes? A live sex show?