Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

FFS. All of those things are fine, but not in the context of children. How can he not understand that?

Surely to god working at the NSPCC he must have come upon the idea of child protection even accidentally?

I don't think the idea of child 'protection' was what he was thinking about coming upon.

It’s astonishing. He must not have had even a half-day’s training in child safeguarding when he was at the NSPCC.

The cluelessness. He seems to be incapable of noticing red flags. Utterly naive.

The problem with his ‘home movie’ was that it was made in the loos at work.

And that work was a charity for vulnerable children, a charity with statutory powers.

If work was a leatherman specialist sex shop & sauna his ‘home movie’ would likely have received a less dramatic reception (as long as he was either demonstrating a product or had clocked off before he wanked off).

Just like all the stuff on this thread would be fine* in an adults only context - you can do as much Bondage Circus Sex Clown Striptease as you like as long as you don’t invite preschoolers along and call it a ‘sensory event for babies’.

*well, ok, some of it would still be tacky and crap but I support your right to do tacky and crap risqué performance “art” away from minors.

Hi - I was replying to a comment that was specifically about memory:

"I find the people who airily declare "Babies won't remember anything they've seen anyway, so we should let them watch everything" very strange. I can only assume, if they genuinely believe this to be true, that their offspring are raised in (say) a featureless grey room with white noise playing. I mean, if they really think babies are just memoryless blobs, why did they bother singing the awful Wheels On The Bus until they were sick of it, in the first place?"

So about the fragility of memory in babies and very young children and the phenomenon of "childhood amnesia" and, although they both impact on adult memory, that was not my main point.

Could you say more about this? If you have got any references I would be really interested:

"These early experiences are transformative to the brain because of neuroplasticity, and so the effect of an experience like CBR cannot be understood totally just by whether they remember as an adult."

There are so many things to be concerned about wrt this Caba Baba Rave monstrosity but I have yet to be convinced that the most dangerous aspect is the fact that it was experienced by children under the age of two, rather than up to the age of five which seems possible from the advert on Happity. However, it is reassuring that most people have a visceral reaction of shock and disgust to babies being present, as it is obviously not a good idea at all.

Others have expressed it better than me already but I think that focussing in close on the presence of babies risks missing the massive dangers of the bigger picture ("queering" of society) and, lets say, the "medium focus" of the impact an event like this might have on the parents, their future parenting and safeguarding their children.

I'm not saying, "Forget about the impact on the babies" but the press coverage I have seen tends to amplify this aspect. Although maybe that is the best way to deal with this in terms of alerting the public and garnering opposition? To connect with that visceral reaction rather than possibly dilute the message by over-intellectualising things and bringing in the wider context?

Bit of a change of tack. Another thing that I have wondered about is what else, if anything, is going on in those areas of town that mums could go to with their babies and young children? Is there nothing? If there are alternatives, why are they less appealing than this bizarre event? £25 and £5 each for extra kids for 45 mins is not cheap. Is there a vacuum that these drag events have moved in to fill?

If there is a demand for troupes of uninhibited adults dressed up outrageously and performing whacky stunts to music then Morris Dancers are missing a golden opportunity because they could clean up! 😂

@Bosky oh what a wonderful video to start the day off!I

Love Morris dancers me!

And I'd pay to watch them over bondage gear baby performers any day of the week!

There is this dreadful horse-brushing in plain sight agenda for children by fetish artist Sophie Labelle also being promoted in our libraries.

It comes under “A week in the war against Women” here, scroll down within the site to find the article.
open.substack.com/pub/grahamlinehan/p/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-monday-a8a?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Sophie Labelle is a man who says he is a woman.

Labelle? The male that knows few sexual boundaries? Who does cartoons of ‘diaperfur’ art? In other words, promotes adult’s sexual fetishes where the adults indulge in their sexual fantasies in the role of babies and children AND as animals….

what could go wrong?

That very one:
archive.ph/2023.02.21-201154/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/21/trans-cartoonist-diaper-fetish-art-kink-invited-speak-children/

So this just appeared in active

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4757942-i-took-my-child-to-a-caba-baba-rave-ama

There's something else about this that's not really spoken about.

As a society, we are bombarded with graphic sexual imagery. Never before in history has there been so much sexual content available. And it's mutated to the point where porn no longer really corresponds to actual sex; in past times, a lot of today's porn would have been perceived as the practices of a torture chamber.

It's becoming clear that, for a lot of males, the desire to ejaculate has become a pathology. It's an addiction that is leading them down destructive paths, because, let's be honest here, if you can't do a full day at work without having a wank in the toilets while wearing rubber long Johns, you've got a problem.

Sex is simply not the be all and end all of life for a great many people. It doesn't create their most joyous moments. It's not even the activity that makes them feel the most fantastic.

And to that these people who are pushing radical sexual activities into the open, chasing a high, and it's not that society is becoming more Victorian, it's that culture is slowly dehumanising sex until it is essentially, primarily, focused on the glans.

James can't see it because he's wrapped up in the addiction. He's like an alcoholic who believes people should be able to get pissed anywhere and everywhere, regardless of how it might affect others.

@Bosky well said. Unless these raves are held at a remote Hebridean island, then yes, there will be plenty of alternatives for parents. 🤣🤣

These events are for the edgy or wannabe edgy parents, the kids are not so much an after thought but not thought about whatsoever.

And there are so many talented children's entertainers out there.

Why is innocence such a bad thing? I love this phase of childhood personally, Wheels on the Bus? I'm ready for the one hundredth singalong.

ZeroFuchsGiven· Today 11:21
So this just appeared in active
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4757942-i-took-my-child-to-a-caba-baba-rave-ama

Yes, the only thing not appearing in “ Active” is the thread on the Petitions board called “Petition to Update the Equality Act - thread 2”.

Something is blocking it. I wasted endless time with posts trying to boost it, trying to explain what it was about as it is difficult to understand if you haven’t been following in detail, but for some time no one would have been coming across it.

Because of it not appearing in Active, the petition is in danger of narrowly failing to get the 100,000 signatures which would trigger a debate in parliament.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

@Bosky Bit of a change of tack. Another thing that I have wondered about is what else, if anything, is going on in those areas of town that mums could go to with their babies and young children? Is there nothing? If there are alternatives, why are they less appealing than this bizarre event? £25 and £5 each for extra kids for 45 mins is not cheap. Is there a vacuum that these drag events have moved in to fill?

It's a good question and I don't actually understand it because this took place in Central London. And there is no place I can think of that has more activities for children. Free museums, free toddler and baby events at those museums, South Bank centre, river walks, zoos, parks galore, galleries, local church mother and baby sessions.

I think it's just basic selfishness unfortunately, the need for something less 'mumsy'

How many more signatures are needed?

I've just checked, it was at 86,042 and we need 100k by 20th April. So, if you haven't signed it yet, please do so and share it if you can.

Thank you.

I have already signed and shared. I wonder where else it could be shared that's high profile? I am annoyed that MN doesn't allow petitions as crucial as this to appear in chat or be pinned. It's called mumsnet for goodness sake!

IcakethereforeIam · Today 14:44
I've just checked, it was at 86,042 and we need 100k by 20th April. So, if you haven't signed it yet, please do so and share it if you can.

Thank you

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DysonSpheres · Today 15:12
I have already signed and shared. I wonder where else it could be shared that's high profile? I am annoyed that MN doesn't allow petitions as crucial as this to appear in chat or be pinned. It's called mumsnet for goodness sake!

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The old thread is full. Here is the new link:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3?latest=1

It did appear on Active just after I posted it. Let’s hope the glitch won’t come back.

Thread in AMA is currently deleted. It was heartening to see such a strong response to the OP (mum who took her 4 month old, thought it was fine and would go again, because drag/burlesque isn't really sexualised and anyway the baby mostly slept...).

I’m pissed off that I contributed to that in good faith and she got it pulled. Waste of my time.

It was top trending for quite a while so hopefully opened a lot of lurkers' eyes.

I'm starting to think the Tories should dress Sunak in drag to deliver unpopular policies, as seemingly he would then be above criticism.

I thought that was a very strong thread. It’s a shame that the OP got it deleted - because it wasn’t going her way, I assume. Or she didn’t want to explain how the acts depicted in the pictures on that thread were suitable for children. Or how they enhanced the activity for the children.

It is grooming, pure and simple, and she refused to see it.

You are not the only one.

Very ironic that the comment from @Mumsnet before deleting was that the thread "wasn't helping anyone" when that was exactly what posters were trying to do - open eyes and educate.
Shame.