Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

Do you think that if we see an obvious child safeguarding fail, we should all just turn a blind eye?

Just because a group of Very Cool Mummies (good term @CryptoFascistMadameCholet ) have decided it is ok for their babies to be exposed to adult nudity, stripping and sexualised performances doesn’t mean we can’t criticise them and this organisation and explain why they’ve got it so wrong.

Just where are they planning on drawing the line of what is acceptable for their babies to be exposed to? If you can persuade parents that it is ok to take their children to obviously adult events, what else can you persuade them to allow their children to do? And who with?

Yes. That added bonus is all sold as wonderfully 'tolerant' and 'loving'.

I tend to think that those who argue 'if you don't want to take your child, don't go' are missing the point that it is desensitising the very adults who should be instilling sexual boundaries in their child from infanthood.

I do believe that the same people who say 'just don't take them' would say the same about the Family Sex Show too. So much for caring about society and looking out for the needs of children who have parents who don't seem to be able to understand where safeguarding is supposed to begin, and where boundary setting is supposed to be taught. The parents.

I guess this is what happens when boundaries are being portrayed as 'prudish' and when people leave safeguarding children up to parents who don't seem to have a clue about safeguarding at all unless it is in extreme cases. And they then question 'how did we get here', with no awareness at all.

There are absolutely shit loads of licensing conditions for events that sell alcohol and/or show certain types of performances, plus additional health and safety and licensing obligations for allowing children on licensed premises (you need to sell actual sit down meals, so some pubs can host children but nightclubs cannot).

I doubt very much that these events have been properly signed off by the licensing authorities in the London boroughs in which they are held. These conditions are supervised by magistrates, it’s a really fucking big deal. Fines started from twenty grand when I worked in this area 20 years ago.

Rather than just handwave criticism away as ‘if you don’t like it don’t look’ why not wait and see if there is some substance behind our complaints?
You can’t really think pole-dancing in sex-shop fetish gear is suitable live entertainment for babies?

I just don’t understand what would possess parents to take their babies to see this. What possible benefit can it have for the babies?
So if it’s not for the babies benefit that only leaves the performers.
It’s grooming.

And another question. Is alcohol sold? When people are sitting on the ground with children everywhere?

I can only imagine the types of utter wanker who think this is cool 🙄

I can only imagine the type of utter wanker who complains about it.

At least some of the events, if not all, incorporate 'booze' with cabaret, live DJs, a rave and baby sensory.

Gawd. Seeing all that, feels like I should use this meme for the first time.

That's what I was thinking, @CryptoFascistMadameCholet.

Each Licensing Authority (i.e. Council or Council Borough) operates according to four licensing objectives, to make sure that licensable activities are carried out in the public interest:

• The prevention of crime and disorder.
• Public safety.
• The prevention of public nuisance.
• The protection of children from harm.

The conditions around SEVs are especially stringent.

For me This is nothing to so with the fact it's drag acts it's to do with an adult sexually provocative show and scantily clad performers interacting with and performing in front of babies

"child sex abuse:

A child is defined as any person under the age of 18. Child sexual abuse involves forcing or inciting a child to take part in sexual activity, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening and not necessarily involving a high level of violence.

This may involve physical contact including rape or oral sex, or non-penetrative acts such as masturbation, kissing, rubbing and touching outside of clothing. They may also include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or exploiting or grooming a child in preparation for abuse (including via the internet) or prostitution. Child sexual abuse can be committed by both men and women, or other children."

This act/show/performance whatever it is is highly inappropriate for children or babies and I'm so sick of this shit!

Tell me what is it about the event that makes it so appropriate for babies?

Looking at the pictures the babies are not incidental, it's not a performance for the parents to watch with their babies present, the babies are part of the performance?

Why are babies important to the actual performance?

Why shouldn't people complain about something that is objectionable on a very basic level?

Yeah, safeguarding is so boring

Because

1: The images and videos shown are only a snapshot of the event
2: Parents make their own judgement whether they think their baby is somehow going to be scarred by seeing a cabaret show.

Its not FOR babies. They have different types of events that are tailored depending on age range. Events for older children will have different performers, different costumes.

Whether you consider drag or cabaret as sexualised is your own call.

Why would any parent take their children to an event like this, regardless of the performers' sex or identity?

I have (male and female) friends who do aerial arts and pole, and they look graceful, demonstrate artistic skills, athletic talent and don't dress in a sexualised manner. If someone wanted to do an aerial show for children it could easily be done in a child-appropriate way, which might make many people wonder why they've chosen not to do a child-appropriate aerial show.

1. The images shown show multiple babies being used as props in the performances.
2. Safeguarding of babies from inappropriate activities is a problem for all of society. If parent's are not capable of protecting their children from participating in adult sexualised events then serious questions need to be asked.

Adults can consent to participate in drag performances. Babies can't.

This is part of queer theory. Breaking down the boundaries of appropriate behaviour in front of babies and children.

Its not FOR babies.

So why is it called CabaBabaRave?

It is literally FOR babies. They are the show.

Whether you consider drag or cabaret as sexualised is your own call.

How is wearing a thong that barely covers their penis and gyrating suggestively NOT sexualised?!?! FFS

What's that saying, so open minded their brain has fallen out?

1: The images and videos shown are only a snapshot of the event

And I assume those snapshots are supposed to be the PR for the event? What are we to assume the rest of the event is like if it is not as per the organisers PR selection? Do you think that the event gets more baby friendly?

2: Parents make their own judgement whether they think their baby is somehow going to be scarred by seeing a cabaret show.

Parents make their own judgements all the time and those judgements are called into question when those judgements are clearly poor. Sometimes, those judgements lead to behaviours that actively harm their children.

Do you think that parents making poor judgement decisions should be applauded?

Can you please tell us what it is that you think we are 'complaining' about?

What is this 'scarring' you are talking about?

Of course its for babies otherwise it would be being held somewhere else at a different time of day with an adult only audience.

It's for babies. It's wrong. it should be stopped.

Exactly what I was going to say. Brains have fallen out.

How is wearing a thong that barely covers their penis and gyrating suggestively NOT sexualised?!?! FFS

Because the act identifies as not being sexualised?

Because the people declaring it not sexualised have a very low boundary around sexualised behaviour?

Because calling it sexualised would mean those who support these events for children would have to consider safeguarding issues?

People who know the law? Who understand child safeguarding? Who are vigilant about child sexual exploitation?

Yes, we are the ‘utter wankers’ here 🙄
Very Cool Mummies are not exempt from the law and who handwaves this away probably needs their hard drive checking.

If the organisers had done their due diligence they would be able to produce all the appropriate venue licenses and risk assessment paperwork. They wouldn’t need to shut down social media, because they could just post up their evidence that everything was above board.

Screenshots from Notts council’s info:

nottinghamshirescb.proceduresonline.com/p_sg_licenced_prem.html

Leicester Council’s booklet on preventing child sexual exploitation in licensed venues:

www.lcitylscb.org/media/1559/cse-leics-booklet-licensed-premises-v3-final.pdf

You can’t just decide to mix pole dancing, alcohol and babies on a whim. Hopefully these organisers are just spectacular dim and not actually sinister, although that call will need to be made by social services and the police after a proper investigation.

1: The images and videos shown are only a snapshot of the event
2: Parents make their own judgement whether they think their baby is somehow going to be scarred by seeing a cabaret show.

Its not FOR babies. They have different types of events that are tailored depending on age range. Events for older children will have different performers, different costumes.

Whether you consider drag or cabaret as sexualised is your own call.

Are you claiming that women taking their clothes off as burlesque dancers - down to nipple pasties and pants or non taking their clothes off to their pants is not sexual?

What about writhing on the floor with legs wide apart while wearing a thong that just about contains the penis and stripper heels? Is that sexual?

Or being upside down in a chair with legs wide apart in a revealing costume?

What about getting done up in a BDSM harness and swinging from ropes hung from the ceiling while almost naked?

Several of the semi naked, stripper heeled drag performers were specifically interacting with the babies.

The topless (nipple pasties) burlesque dancer was pictured holding a toddler - it might have been her own, it might not - the kids in the audience would not have known that.

This really is queer theory in action. Blur the lines so much about what is ‘inclusive’ so parents feel like they are on the ‘progressive’ side whilst ignoring blatant safeguarding issues.

We on the one hand should be teaching our children to be weary of an adult who strips off their clothing in front of children but then immediately seem to be cheering it on. It’s not a neutral act.