Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

rollox! Matt has no idea how children view them. matt clearly has seen some very odd looking highly sexualised dolls and princesses if he thinks that’s how children think of him. Very young Children don’t have the vocabulary to describe their thoughts plus I very much doubt Matt is chatting to the children on his own. It’s far more likely to be something alone the lines of enthusiastic mothers saying “Tabitha says you’re just like a Princess don’t you tabby darling?” What else is a child going yo say but yes?

The Caba baba rave pics are from East London (Leyton and Leytonstone) although they have used other venues.

The orange bewigged drag queen with the little girl standing behind him is South East London (Honor Oak Pub, SE23 IJG, Borough of Lewisham, MP Vicky Foxcroft, Labour)

I remember as a very young child being rather fascinated by Dame Edna. I knew on an instinctive level she wasn't a woman but I wasn't entirely sure what she actually was.

I think it might be helpful to the discussions to try and draw a line between the mainstream music hall/pantomime tradition of drag - Danny La Rue, Hinge and Bracket, Dame Edna, Mrs Brown's Boys, Les Dawson, Monty Python etc.. and the much more adult, sexualised, trangressive, cabaret tradition of drag that emerged from gay clubs.

Both are legitimate forms of entertainment with long traditions but some is not suitable for children. Therefore it is essential to consider when booking a performer for a family or children's event what their understanding of drag and act is.

It is the same with circus skills and cabaret performers, it is a wide spectrum in terma of types of act and tone. There are plenty of performers with amazing ribbon and acrobatic skills who are not in the tradition of more adult cabaret performances. It is a bit strange the organisers of these events went with performers whose acts are more suited to an Ibiza club than a child friendly circus event.

When i say 'drag' he dresses up as female characters - but they're really aimed at entertaining the parents, an dthey are actually quite funny. The main difference being that they are not sexualisied characters nor half dressed.

There is a weather forecaster, for example, called 'Gale Force' and a clumsy antiques expert called 'Anne Tique'.

@SinnerBoy I know what you mean! One time on the Tube I bumped into a middle aged man in full woman face - blonde wig, red dress, high heels, and the instant fear and revulsion made my heart race, I panicked. I had to physically escape to a different carriage.

Before anyone says my brain is a bigot, I’m also scared of other costumes - I have a photo with a Silurian from a Dr Who convention where I am half-laughing, half-pulling away terrified. The actress was magnificent, she stayed in character and kept doing “ssssss” at me.

My brain cannot handle uncanny valley situations.

I find the people who airily declare "Babies won't remember anything they've seen anyway, so we should let them watch everything" very strange. I can only assume, if they genuinely believe this to be true, that their offspring are raised in (say) a featureless grey room with white noise playing. I mean, if they really think babies are just memoryless blobs, why did they bother singing the awful Wheels On The Bus until they were sick of it, in the first place?

We are here to be representation for LGBTQ+ people, different gender identities

thing is my precious first born is gay, he used to be a young leader for beavers and was obviously dbs checked

hes also representative of LGB+ people but no one is interested in him reading books at the library or having him entertaining at a childrens party

(im telling you now it would be worth the £25 to see him unable to free himself from the ropes, ive a similar picture where he managed to get himself stuck on an assault course 😀)

There are gay people and trans people in every aspect of life

how come the most interesting thing about them at the moment seems to be men dressed in their scanties with wigs and makeup….drag can’t possibly be the most interesting thing

(though now ive said that its reminding me of strippers and ‘enpowerment’ 🤔)

Yes, some it seems very sex positivity.

This.
It's the Mumsnet anti trans echo chamber publicly shaming and piling on to the two mum organisers of this event, that has very different costumes for shows with older children.

Its obviously not an echo chamber if youve just posted

and what has it got to do with trans people….i may have missed some posts

Dangly Bondage Man’s dad has now spoken so perhaps that’ll convince some of the Fake News Muppets?

newsfeeds.media/drag-baby-performers-father-defends-son-as-a-professional-who-has-done-nothing/

The wrongness was the audience he performed for, not the performance, Steve!

Ben can twizzle about in thigh high PVC stiletto boots as much as he likes, he just needs the good sense to answer booking queries with ‘Is the event for over 18s? And if the answer isn’t affirmative, Ben needs to say ‘No’.

In what way is objecting to this show ‘anti trans’? Can you please explain? What does any of it have to do with trans people?

Icenice · Today 11:53

It's the Mumsnet anti trans echo chamber publicly shaming and piling on to the two mum organisers of this event, that has very different costumes for shows with older children.

Well, if you're willing to ignore the evidence of your own eyes and the contents of a number of written accounts, I'm doubtful that you could outwit a thrip.

This has been asked already but if you've missed it I'll repeat it:

If it's wrong for older children to be exposed to such costumes and acts, why is it okay for the younger babies/toddlers?

The babies are not being fed and sleeping through the act like at Baby Cinema showings. Photos show them literally sitting on the floor watching, clapping, and interacting with the performers.

It's either okay for children or it's not and the fact that performers "cover up" for older audiences suggests everyone knows it is, in fact, not okay.

This had sod all to do with anyone being trans. It had everything to do with sexually inappropriate performances in front of children.

And yes those taking their kids to this, and the two Muppets who came up with the idea, have done so publicly and allowed the photos to be shared publicly so now they get to feel ashamed publicly.

If the women who went aren't ashamed then it won't matter what people think on the internet.

I'm appalled that anyone thought this a good idea to take their babies and toddlers to.

TBF, thrips can be tricksy little blighters.

You have yet to come back onto the other thread and answer why you have brought trans people into the discussion?

Why have you done this? What has this event got to do with trans people?

Is this your own prejudiced perspective?

How is any of this relevant to Trans people?
Clue - it’s not

YouTube thought I'd be interested in watching this. For a wonder it was right. Tennessean Democrats beclowning themselves over a bill to ban adult drag entertainment for children. All they have is false teaming, whataboutery and economics, apparently businesses need the toddler dollar. Who knew?

The drag performer at 5.12 will haunt my nightmares.

And the little bunch from baby drag make an appearance!

I’ve been doing a bit of a dive into the origins and impact of PIE on a different thread and it is clear to me that there are common threads, common agendas, common behaviours running through. Although PIE were a UK org, and this is a global thing, you can see the pattern.

There’s a concerted effort to abolish all ‘shame’ - there seems to be this idea that it’s all the fault of mothers and religion that there is such a thing as shame around sexual expression, and that religion must be aggressively opposed and mothers must be ‘educated’ or removed from the picture, so their babies won’t grow into adults who feel any shame about their sexuality.

There’s no thought about how a perverted sexuality can be violent, aggressive, cruel, unhygienic, violating, non-consensual, injuring, frightening, intimidating, repulsive or traumatising for others and we might need some social means for guiding it. The only thing that is ever a cause for concern is ‘shame’ or ‘stigma’.

Clearly, of the two sexes, one clearly benefits from abolishing shame and stigma from perverse sexuality and the other is disadvantaged.

This event is, as others have said, ‘sex possie’ - they are all ‘destigmatising’ (or promoting?) fetishes like bondage, fetish wear, crossdressing, exhibitionism and voyeurism from the earliest age. It’s part of the same movement as the School of Sexuality Education:

A book used by teachers in schools that the charity promotes on its website, Great Relationships and Sex Education, advises teachers to “emphasise that love and affection are often important parts of good sex, but not always. For others, good sex is quick, rough and anonymous. You can also explore the fact that some people enjoy feeling pain during sex, which is often referred to as kink or BDSM.”

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.md/2023.03.04-092039/www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2023/03/04/masturbation-lessons-100-genders-what-children-taught-school/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.md/2023.03.04-092039/www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2023/03/04/masturbation-lessons-100-genders-what-children-taught-school/

Urgh, at 5:50 in the video just posted by @IcakethereforeIam, a small girl is sitting on a chair surrounded by cheering adults, while a drag performer in a pair of pants barely covering his arse seems to make the little girl the focus of his performance by pointing at her, strutting towards her and then dropping into a squat right next to her before touching her face and giving her a kiss. She doesn’t look comfortable, and I’m not at all surprised. She appears to be the only child there. The adults all seem to be having a great time. Poor little girl 😕

Kissing her face like that: WTF?

I thought the ‘woke’ (presumably the adults in these videos would consider themselves in that category) would be all over the idea of ASKING a child if you can hug or kiss them, ESPECIALLY if you’re a stranger. Why the fuck are these adults clapping and smiling? How do they rationalise this when they talk to their children about consent?

‘Adults should never assume they can hug or kiss you. They should ask you first. Apart from that time we took you to the drag show, that’s different’.

I think the upside down drag queen with the ever present bare arse cheeks might self describe as a they/them but they use their original male name outside of drag performance and appear in a thong without nipple covers, so they is a SamSmithtypemalenonbinaryperson at most (and lots of medically and surgically trans people reject Sam Smith as being trans).

it’s the sexually inappropriate performances and costumes that are the issue here and some of the tiny underpant-clad performers are female-women, so dunno why some folx want to pretend our objections are based on homophobia or transphobia, rather than safeguarding small children from adult sexualised entertainment (and potentially breaking sensible licensing laws).

MN deleted my post with YouTube links to showreels by two of the female burlesque performers but the videos aren’t age restricted on YouTube so I don’t know why 🤷‍♀️

Easily found by searching their stage names, Bettsie Bon Bon and Cleopantha.

On rewatching, he appears to address her first, so maybe he asked if he could kiss her. Hard for a little girl in a room full of adults to say no though when the whole room is looking at her and she knows she is part of the performance.

Urgh, at 5:50 in the video just posted by @IcakethereforeIam, a small girl is sitting on a chair surrounded by cheering adults, while a drag performer in a pair of pants barely covering his arse seems to make the little girl the focus of his performance by pointing at her, strutting towards her and then dropping into a squat right next to her before touching her face and giving her a kiss. She doesn’t look comfortable, and I’m not at all surprised. She appears to be the only child there. The adults all seem to be having a great time. Poor little girl

i have no intention of watching

but one assumes that all those parents would be ok with exactly the same scenario but with a stripper and a little boy