Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

Yes, they are. Babies are learning machines. They are learning more, more quickly, than at any other time in their lives.

That's how they develop from tiny eating/pooping machines, to small humans who can hold a conversation, in less time than it takes me to get round to replacing the batteries in my doorbell.

That's why early trauma, or conversely early love, can shape an entire life.

Leaving aside the fact that many of the children in these videos and pictures are actually a fair bit older than that, even infants are learning all the time.

Events like this are part of a massive campaign to breach safeguarding boundaries, to bring children and sexualised acts into close proximity, and to train parents and children to turn off all of their inbuilt 'hang on...' alarms. They are insidious and extremely harmful.

I do. I was horrifed to hear a young fella was bitten on the foot by one this week while trying to escape flood waters to be airlifted (to Darwin I think). He was very lucky. Must have been a baby.

And if I as a person who doesn't have children can work this out why the fuck can't those parents with their actual babies work it out?

It boggles my mind that they can be so Fucking stupid.

"Whilst holding a pint in one hand and a baby in the other".

Fucking wow.

Classy.

Churches now, and schools.
"Drag is new front in culture wars
A 300% rise in school, library and church acts has alarmed many parents"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ab2c81fe-b9f9-11ed-89e2-a4c715f4739d?shareToken=50639a0ac88575dd73be823e362e5c8b

I can't see what the performers themselves would get out of this, unless it's a) money b) a sense of being made mainstream or c) something quite murky and nefarious

Unfortunately, having children is no guarantee that people know or care what is best for them.

I know I had incompetent parents!

I wonder how much is people just being clueless and how much is selfishness by the parents putting their own wants and needs before the children's?

Havent got time to RTFT. Where are these venues? And who are the relevant MPs?

*And if I as a person who doesn't have children can work this out why the fuck can't those parents with their actual babies work it out?

It boggles my mind that they can be so Fucking stupid*

Beetle neither do I, but I have young nieces and nephews, and have been astounded and fascinated by the miracle (a word I don’t bandy about lightly) of how we as humans develop from tiny blobs to independent beings. As very small babies my DNs had utterly distinct personalities and you could see how they absorbed knowledge about everything around them like one of those time-lapse films of flowers blossoming.

I may not have been able to have children myself but I genuinely feel privileged to have been able to witness children as they grow up, and it is FAST and amazing. So to watch that utter car-crash of a 'baby rave' and hear apologists bleating that it's all a bit of fun, the babies don’t know what's happening, blah blah blah, is utter bilge.

Sorry, that sounds abrupt. I started the thread about this on aibu. It would be good to highlight the areas so anyone who wants to complain can. Have a toddler so reading the full thread here is tricky at the mo.

"The drag act, whose real name is Matt Hunt, wrote online: “Unfortunately, this pandemic of panic seems to also be slowly spreading to the UK, with an alarming rise in protests happening outside of drag queen story times and other family-friendly LGBTQ+ events.

“We are not here to sexualise or prey upon your children. We are here to be representation for LGBTQ+ people, different gender identities, and you children grow up with acceptance, tolerance and an open mind.

“Children do not view us as sexual beings. They view us as princesses/princes/royalty, or like their dollies brought to life"

Young children do not have the facility for " acceptance, tolerance or an open mind" - what they have is impressionability. What is it that is being impressed upon them, and what is being modelled as normal adult behaviour?

@Bamboux

I think people are also missing the point that you don't need to consciously remember something as an adult/older child in order for it to be formative.

Yes, it's amazing what they pick up, as with the dog and stickers. Our daughter made a lot of noise, but didn't really speak until she was two and then it was a mix of English and Russian.

My wife mainly spoke to her in Russian and when she went to nursery, they asked if her teddy was called igrushka. She'd said, "My igrushka!" when one of them picked her teddy up. (Igrushka is just toy, in Russian)

She'd sorted it out after a couple of weeks.

The media is now picking up on the phenomena of DQST - but what is yet to happen is to make the link with. 'Queer Theory' and the concept of 'queering' society.

The first and most obvious response from many is to suggest that any discomfort at drag or DQST is down to homophobia. What people ( the media) haven't picked up on, or understand as yet, is how the movement for LGB equality and liberation has been captured by this radical ideology, to the extent that people automatically link LGB with being 'queer' - even if they don't fully understand its origins and intent.

What is good, though, is that drag is now being openly critiqued in such a public way for the first time. We've had drag force fed for years now, and Pride events have been taken over by fetish parades - in public, and in front of an unconsenting audience.

*NotHavingIt · Today 09:11

The first and most obvious response from many is to suggest that any discomfort at drag or DQST is down to homophobia.

It's not homophobia for me, transvestites give me the heebie-jeebies and it's because they're false. Another example is from when I was young, my girlfriend had a friend with bleached white hair, who always made me feel uncomfortable, although she was perfectly pleasant.

Then she mad a comment that her friend really needed to bleach her eyebrows to match her hair, they were almost black and she had very dark eyes; I realised that that was what made me shiver.

It's probably similar to the thing people have, where they find clowns disturbing.

Social media ruined everything, including parenting.
I’m aghast at the trend of monetising your children or using them as accessories.
I fully expect that generation to grow up and fall within two camps - either ridden with psychological issues or harbouring anger that won’t be contained.

In principle I’m against too much regulation and government overreach, but when it comes to protecting children I’d be in favour of drastic regulation like no images of under 12s on any social media, ever.

Yes, the obvious cognitive dissonance is certainly, factor - and certainly for young children it can very confusing and disturbing. Children don't like clowns, in general, and in my experience they don't like pantomime dames, either.

It appears that they’ve cancelled future ‘shows’ for now, though we should keep making noise.
I think this particular cancer hasn’t metastasised beyond South London though unsure where exactly - most information is on Insta and Twitter and I’m on neither. Someone more knowledgeable should advise soon.

Even Justin's drag acts on CBBC are really meant for the adults watching, and not the children. My granddaughter never quite knew what to make of it.

I saw a performance like this recently...it was in a Berlin sex club where this type of thing belongs!! I cannot understand who approved this in the venues (who thought this was ok for babies) but also what is the thinking behind these guys?? Why do they want to perform a sexual routine in front of babies?

I suspect they have no obvious reason other than to replicate and perform their 'culture', especially since drag has become so mainstream. They don't have children themselves; don' understand child psychology, and they just see the children as props in their egotistic, exhibitionistic performance; along with their gullible parents.

I understand the cost of attending this was around £25, which is a lot of dosh for a mum and baby event. These are parents with the financial resources to afford to hire a babysitter to go out and see drag and cabaret at night.

I understand the desire to claw back some
of your previous, carefree life after having a baby. The infant and toddler years are intense and demanding and yes can be boring as well, but they’re also temporary. Part of being a responsible parent is realising that your wants come second to that of your children.

The venues in the Caba Baba Rave photos are from:

The Birds in Leytonstone
www.thebirds.pub

Patchworks in Leyton
www.patchworks.xyz

and at first glance I think the mp for both is John Cryer? He’s Labour.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cryer

Council is Waltham Forest.

They’ve used several other venues including one in Manchester but all the photos I’ve seen so far seem to be from the above two. If any more photos surface I will try and find locations for them.

Funnily enough the MCR venue shared a ‘this is upcoming, you can buy tickets here’ post and then never mentioned it again - I can’t even tell if it went ahead, the venue was active on social media for other things that week but it was pure tumbleweed for mentions of Cabababarave!

Is this a thing? Christ 😵‍💫

NotHavingIt · Today 09:33

It's probably similar to the thing people have, where they find clowns disturbing. Yes, the obvious cognitive dissonance is certainly, factor - and certainly for young children it can very confusing and disturbing. Children don't like clowns, in general, and in my experience they don't like pantomime dames, either.

Strangely, clowns don't give me "the ick." I have the self control not to gawp, when I see men got up as women, but I think that part of it is that I can be quite literal and I really hate dishonesty, it's the one thing I absolutely don't tolerate with my daughter.