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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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EpicChaos · 01/03/2023 00:56

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2023 19:29

I see I've missed things whilst I've been absent. I've been skiing work. But whilst I'm in poem mode

SAY CHEESE

Non binary,
Like fine dinery,
Provides the education
To bring to your attention
The very simple facts...
That some men are just twats!

  • round of applause
Yet again @Boiledbeetle , you've got right down to the very nub of the matter in very few but poignant and fitting words!

As for the skiing, i wondered about that but thought it more likely that you'd be too interested in the apres ski and in particular, the cheesy fondues, lol.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:36

No to surprise duck in my space.

😈sorry there isn't a smilie with the right look of creepy duck sender

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:57

Keep your duck to yourself. No one wants to see it.

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:58

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/03/2023 00:47

Holy shit balls pal, your reading comprehension needs some work!

Let me make it really clear, using a copy and paste from your comment.

Your words are in italic, my words are in bold:

Yet here you say "that" to a I'd rather be rude.quote. YES!

So which is it? Wtf are you on about? Where are the two things you want me to choose from, in the post I made?

You do want to be rude YES! To repeat myself ‘I’d rather be rude than a fucking liar’

and for people to be rude < that bit there, that’s you projecting, I never said I wanted unspecified other ‘people’ to do anything!

or you don't? And to repeat, yet again, for clarity: I myself would rather be rude than a fucking liar. What tone other people use or don’t use, whether they are rude or not rude, is not something I have any ‘wants’ about.
Generally I believe that tone policing other women is unproductive and I choose not to engage in it. Part of that non-engagement is not telling others not to tone police (although sometimes I do end up pointing out that I am witnessing a tone policing in progress).

Make your mind up How can I make my mind up when I haven’t actually stated two inconsistent things?
And therefore there is nothing for me to make my mind up about?
One of the two things you are asking me to choose between exists only in your imagination.

HTH!

Holy shit balls, do you think people can't see what you've written on this exact thread?
Trouble with trying to gaslight on a thread of writing is that your words are there for people to see.

Me
Yes, so you'd think regular posters wouldn't be commenting sounding all hurt "you're pretty rude actually" - as you say, that's what you want people to be, right? Rude?

You
I don’t want other people to be anything mate, you must be projecting?

Yet you say "You do want to be rude YES
Which you've brought right back round to prove my original point rather nicely - that it's fine for "GC " posters agreeing with M Burns to be rude like yourself, but anyone who isn't must be a man (if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck..... but not if you're the "right" woman, then you can be rude.
You've just gone a very long way round the houses to come out and say it!

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:04

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:43

Interesting - so how is a woman supposed to sound, then? Ladylike ( whatever that means 🙄) ?!
And if she's being rude, she must automatically be a man?
But not if she's a "GC" woman, then it's perfectly fine to be rude?
Some pretty hypocritical standards going on there.

Sigh. This wasn't directed at you.

I was using an ongoing discussion point between two posters to slip in an unsolicited duck pic.

The duck pic is the joke.

My humour, along with that of some other posters, obviously misses its mark when you read the posts.

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 01:07

Sigh. This wasn't directed at you
Yet it was right after bruh and mate, and me saying what, must be a man? 🙄
Funny coincidence, that.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:08

EpicChaos · 01/03/2023 00:56

  • round of applause
Yet again @Boiledbeetle , you've got right down to the very nub of the matter in very few but poignant and fitting words!

As for the skiing, i wondered about that but thought it more likely that you'd be too interested in the apres ski and in particular, the cheesy fondues, lol.

Now I'm happy to sit at a ski lodge and watch other people 🎿. Preferably one that does all you can eat cheese fondue, with a chocolate fountain sat right next to it and full far coke behind the bar! (Somewhere where I can also have a joint would be a bonus!)

My idea of heaven relaxing and dining in the warm whilst watching people fall over repeatedly!

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 01:15

Aaaand now we're back to cheese because we don't like the way it's going 😂 So you're just going to ignore that it was right after the man bit then?
As I said upthread, it must be hard to gaslight effectively when all words are there to see.
this board is so funny sometimes. Cheese must be the new Weetabix or cake recipes, did you just get bored of that now?
Fill the thread up with cheese. Totally normal 😬

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:18

this board is so funny sometimes

Yes, it is, it has everything, puns, satire, topical references, ducks, cheese, women saying no to men. Glad you're enjoying it Smile

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:20

If some posters choose to constantly feel personally affronted by the posts of others that is not the problem of the person posting the post that the other person feels affronted by.

The fact that some people take everything personally is not something I personally am ever really going to give two hoots about.

Ooh two hoots.
T'WIT T'Woo

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 01:20

Totally not an echo chamber.
Cheese or Weetabix when you want to pretend something wasn't said, or try and bury it in lots of cheese posts ,😁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:23

No one cares what you think about this thriving feminist board that so annoys some people that they have to come here and tell us about it.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:24

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 01:15

Aaaand now we're back to cheese because we don't like the way it's going 😂 So you're just going to ignore that it was right after the man bit then?
As I said upthread, it must be hard to gaslight effectively when all words are there to see.
this board is so funny sometimes. Cheese must be the new Weetabix or cake recipes, did you just get bored of that now?
Fill the thread up with cheese. Totally normal 😬

Well when the conversation gets circular, as it certainly has on this thread my mind at least goes to circular things.

fancy a baby bel? I've got a trickle of vintage cheddar as well, I've got stilton but I don't share that! , but only Sainsbury's own cream crackers, which aren't great, but needs must.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:24

Truckle not trickle

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:28

It amuses me how people who don't follow conversations or read posts properly are so sure of everything they say, and that they think other people should care what they think.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:30

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 01:20

Totally not an echo chamber.
Cheese or Weetabix when you want to pretend something wasn't said, or try and bury it in lots of cheese posts ,😁

I have no idea what you mean. You can have cheese on Westside here if you like? No OR about it. I've got various flavours of marmite to go with it. I can recommend the truffle one...it's like parma violets, tastes weird to start then becomes very moreish.

ECHO..ECHO..ECH

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:31

Autocorrect hates me tonight weetabix although you could eat cheese on the westside of somewhere I suppose

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:31

Parma violet tasting cheese? Envy (not envy)

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:34

Noo. The truffle marmite, like when you first put a Parma violet in your mouth, makes you go blghhh then ooh I'll just have some more, then before you know it you are scrapping the remains out of the bottom of the jar with your special marmite jar scrapping tool.

Justnot · 01/03/2023 01:34

I think the cheese and duck pics should have started a couple of pages in - no clarity, never answer the simple questions about men in women’s spaces - I think you are all amazing for entertaining them for 37 pages!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:37

Noo. The truffle marmite, like when you first put a Parma violet in your mouth,

EnvyEnvy that's on a par with WBH and I don't say that lightly.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 01:37

Noo. The truffle marmite, like when you first put a Parma violet in your mouth,

EnvyEnvy that's on a par with WBH and I don't say that lightly.

I'm so sorrrrggyjnn.

Oops was busy licking the truffle marmite off my fingers

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:46

Justnot · 01/03/2023 01:34

I think the cheese and duck pics should have started a couple of pages in - no clarity, never answer the simple questions about men in women’s spaces - I think you are all amazing for entertaining them for 37 pages!

Gosh 37 pages already! Don't the pages fly when you're having cheesy fun!

Melroses · 01/03/2023 02:08

www.seriouseats.com/what-microbes-make-cheese

"Get To Know the Microbes and Bacteria That Bring Us the Cheese We Love"

Enjoy with oat cakes Grin

EpicChaos · 01/03/2023 02:29

@Ereshkigalangcleg Whatever happened to that one? It was all over the labour party like a rash at one time but izzard seems to be the favourite now.

@IcakethereforeIam "I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point"
Lol you just have to shake your head don't you?! I'd really love for their parents to open themselves up for some questioning regarding their parenting techniques. I really would.

@Boiledbeetle " My idea of heaven relaxing and dining in the warm whilst watching people fall over repeatedly! "
Funnily enough, i was just watching the freestyle skiing and there were a couple of tumbles but i was home, warm and cosy with a mug of tea, so all is golden. :-)

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