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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:00

STURGEON IS A MUMSNETTER?! SEEMS UNLIKELY BUT MAYBE SHE'S PEAKED!

I THINK IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT SHE JUST PRETENDED TO BE A GENDERIST FOR HER OWN AGENDA

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:02

I find it comforting.

It means we're womaning right!

Yep. Women are having views about their own rights and even speaking about them in public, we must rush to comfort the men who may have their feelings hurt by this!

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:05

And for those unaware👇

Experiences of a Trans Person
Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:06

Kellie-Jay's new film about her Let Women Speak tour in the US last autumn, as I mentioned earlier, is well worth a watch.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:08

Isn't 'hushed whispers' a tautology?

Steely Gaze would be a great band name.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/03/2023 00:14

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:54

Yes, so you'd think regular posters wouldn't be commenting sounding all hurt "you're pretty rude actually" - as you say, that's what you want people to be, right? Rude?

I don’t want other people to be anything mate, you must be projecting?

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/03/2023 00:15

It is indeed Eresh

Also
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER SCOTTISHMUMMY AND HER CREEPY WEE BRACKETS???

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:06

Kellie-Jay's new film about her Let Women Speak tour in the US last autumn, as I mentioned earlier, is well worth a watch.

It was really good. Some posters are going to be absolutely frothing by the end of it! And another round of 2 minute hate will begin!

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:20

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/03/2023 00:14

I don’t want other people to be anything mate, you must be projecting?

That's good then luv, if it doesn't apply to you then I wasn't referring to you, surely?!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/03/2023 00:20

suggestionsplease1 · 28/02/2023 22:23

I think you have misunderstood my post.

I am referring to overall trends for thread deletions on the FWR board, and the activities that occur prior to this to create this moderating decision. As you say, this thread is, at present, unlikely to be deleted in its entirety due to overall tone and trend.

For eg. Threads discussing trans criminality are likely to stand, threads discussing trans victimhood eg recent Brianna Ghey tradegy, are likely to be deleted. This is all evidenced. And the trends of posting that lead to these deletion decisions are being observed.

The Brianna Ghey threads I saw were generally sad and respectful to the murdered teenager despite rejecting her concept of gender and the ideology that seeks to impose it upon us. My understanding is that they were deleted because of the risk of speculation comprising any subsequent court case.

The "started by a genderist" threads often get deleted because MNHQ determine them to be a PBP or "not in the spirit" typically due to screenshots being harvested by the OP for Twitter.

Still, it's interesting how convenient it can be for some to have these deleted threads. It allows all sorts of assertions to be made about the motivations of posters and moderators.

I saw a similar thing happen elsewhere. I happened to have been reading at the right time to see a respectful, gender critical set of contributions to a forum by regular posters. The posts (only the GC ones) were soon after deleted and later visitors were informed the forum had been "invaded" by "bigots" who posted "vile things".

It certainly opened my eyes to the tactics being used to enforce #NoDebate and to create the impression that genderist views are accepted without disagreement.

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:23

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 28/02/2023 23:49

What was it Magdalen Burns said again? Something along the lines of ‘I’d rather be rude than a fucking liar’?

That.

Yet here you say "that" to a I'd rather be rude.quote.
So which is it? You do want to be rude, and for people to be rude, or you don't?
Make your mind up

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/03/2023 00:26

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:20

That's good then luv, if it doesn't apply to you then I wasn't referring to you, surely?!

You quoted me bruh, so how can it not be intended to apply to me?

🙃

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:29

Mate and it's bruh now?
If this is your subtle way of trying to insinuate I'm a bloke (I'm not) it's actually pretty funny.
Must be a man! 🙄

EpicChaos · 01/03/2023 00:31

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Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:33

Walks like a duck.

Quacks like a duck

Time for a quick slip in of an unexpected duck pic

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:35

Massive props to the steward for keeping a seemingly straight face, in all fairness.

The steward's face bears a similar look to one I am proud to have once given to Lily Madigan. Who was in no doubt what I thought.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:36

@Boiledbeetle that duck pic was completely unsolicited!Shock

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:36

No to surprise duck in my space.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:39

@EpicChaos that so reminds me of 'I made my excuses and left', perhaps he was worried he was being solicitedGrin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:40

Also "one of you" is interesting phrasing, and not really in keeping with talk guidelines about negative stereotyping.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:41

It's possible the person mentioned by OP is on the thread, but I don't see how he could possibly know?

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:43

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:33

Walks like a duck.

Quacks like a duck

Time for a quick slip in of an unexpected duck pic

Interesting - so how is a woman supposed to sound, then? Ladylike ( whatever that means 🙄) ?!
And if she's being rude, she must automatically be a man?
But not if she's a "GC" woman, then it's perfectly fine to be rude?
Some pretty hypocritical standards going on there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 00:46

I do agree women get pegged as men far too often on MN, there are plenty of women who are worse misogynists than most men.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/03/2023 00:47

CremeEggQueen · 01/03/2023 00:23

Yet here you say "that" to a I'd rather be rude.quote.
So which is it? You do want to be rude, and for people to be rude, or you don't?
Make your mind up

Holy shit balls pal, your reading comprehension needs some work!

Let me make it really clear, using a copy and paste from your comment.

Your words are in italic, my words are in bold:

Yet here you say "that" to a I'd rather be rude.quote. YES!

So which is it? Wtf are you on about? Where are the two things you want me to choose from, in the post I made?

You do want to be rude YES! To repeat myself ‘I’d rather be rude than a fucking liar’

and for people to be rude < that bit there, that’s you projecting, I never said I wanted unspecified other ‘people’ to do anything!

or you don't? And to repeat, yet again, for clarity: I myself would rather be rude than a fucking liar. What tone other people use or don’t use, whether they are rude or not rude, is not something I have any ‘wants’ about.
Generally I believe that tone policing other women is unproductive and I choose not to engage in it. Part of that non-engagement is not telling others not to tone police (although sometimes I do end up pointing out that I am witnessing a tone policing in progress).

Make your mind up How can I make my mind up when I haven’t actually stated two inconsistent things?
And therefore there is nothing for me to make my mind up about?
One of the two things you are asking me to choose between exists only in your imagination.

HTH!

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:54

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:36

@Boiledbeetle that duck pic was completely unsolicited!Shock

You have no idea how long I've waited until just the right time. Ever since your inflatable one topped my ducklings.

I love an unsolicited duck pic.

Phwoar!

Rubs thighs.

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