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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

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Consufed · 02/02/2023 08:39

India Willoughby is going to be on Question Time tonight. BBC1 10.40pm.

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ResisterRex · 03/02/2023 16:00

I agree with @MoirasSaggyBundles here

WarriorN · 03/02/2023 16:02

Disgusting behaviour from IW.

Not including full image but it's a photo of yellow shirt woman that this tweeter is abusing and IW has RT.

India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240
Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/02/2023 16:03

Willoughby really is poisonous - tweeting Glasgow police about Posie’s forthcoming event.

Look who India is retweeting:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4726401-wings-over-scotland-the-grooming-of-holyrood

WickedSerious · 03/02/2023 16:09

picklemewalnuts · 03/02/2023 13:15

Dear lord, Windy's been whingeing on Loose Women.

Windy's not even loosely a woman.

Those ladies do love fawning over a man in a frock.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 16:12

Thanks for the transcript @MoirasSaggyBundles. Very helpful to have it laid out like that.

I love your user name, btw.
In fact, it inspired my own 😃

picklemewalnuts · 03/02/2023 16:16

I love yellow dress lady. I have a similar dress, I'll think of her whenever I wear it.

MiladeeBeserko · 03/02/2023 16:21

I dont think there is such a thing as a Glasgow police force

MoirasSaggyBundles · 03/02/2023 16:29

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 16:12

Thanks for the transcript @MoirasSaggyBundles. Very helpful to have it laid out like that.

I love your user name, btw.
In fact, it inspired my own 😃

😂RMW didn't know what he was unleashing, did he? Glad to be of service. Am hoping your namesake will soon be a fart in the winds of history. Mine too!

DarkDayforMN · 03/02/2023 16:42

The fact that Willoughby was asking which prison Willoughby should be placed in suggests to me that subconsciously Willoughby relates far more to the male rapist than to the women who were raped.

It also suggests that deep down Willoughby understands the nature of DARVO as it relates to transactivist attacks on women.

SinnerBoy · 03/02/2023 16:48

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NancyDrawed · 03/02/2023 16:59

IW tried a similar tack a few years back on GMB iirc, but didn't mix up the words prison and refuge in that case. Tried to do a gotcha on Dr Karen Ingala-Smith.

IW was on with Dr K I-S and said if IW was raped, IW couldn't possibly go to a men's refuge.
Then said to K-IS 'what about a lesbian who has been abused' to which K-IS sensibly said something along the lines of 'if a lesbian finds being in the presence of women triggering, then perhaps a women's refuge isn't the right place for her to get support'
K I-S said IW should go to a specialist refuge if IW needed support and IW indignantly said 'A specialist refuge? They don't exist!'

There might have been more of the 'look at me, looking all womanly, like a woman, I can't go in with 'men' from IW'

I do believe IW suffers from some form of body dysmorphia, because - at the risk of sounding unkind - the way IW sees IWself is not what the rest of us see.

Apologies for the the clumsy IW-ing. I have been deleted twice on MN (I know, amateur!) and both were when I used what I would consider correct terms for relating to IW without using initials.

KatMcBundleFace · 03/02/2023 17:02

I was convinced India would win the gender wars for us back in 2018, with their appalling behaviour on Big Brother.

I realise now they just need longer to win for us. Keep shining that light ✨️

MilkyWaytoday · 03/02/2023 17:04

One of the Bad Sisters is a lesbian and I’m pretty sure Bibi doesn’t have a penis

Only one prick in that show 😂

MilkyWaytoday · 03/02/2023 17:05

^and I know which one I would rather share a toilet with !

WickedSerious · 03/02/2023 17:06

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 15:53

🙊

I wonder what these two are trying to achieve? Kellie Jay makes contact with the local police as part of her event planning process, so the police will already be in attendence. I’m sure they’ll deal with any ‘literal’ annihilation if and when required.

Besides that, how do these AntiFa types justify tattling to their uniformed arm of the evil oppressor state?

‘ACAB but can you please, please come and tell this tiny middle aged lady off for us? We’re feeling very triggered and our emotional support kitten lives at our Nan’s house, which is a bit too far away to walk and we can’t afford an Uber’

I doubt any of us would be able to afford an uber if we'd spent all our pocket money on a Phantom Flan Flinger disguise.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 17:27

WickedSerious · 03/02/2023 17:06

I doubt any of us would be able to afford an uber if we'd spent all our pocket money on a Phantom Flan Flinger disguise.

*Immediately plummets through YouTube Tiswas rabbit hole

2023newyearnewname · 03/02/2023 17:29

When is a transwoman not a transwoman? When they are found guilty of a sexual crime such as rape. They they are a 3rd new gender just introduced by the Scottish FM a rapist.

The man who says he is a woman must be listened to because you know self ID etc etc is so important so when they self id and trans women are women blah blah rubbish of course blah then people ask questions and suddenly there is a 3rd new sex so we now have women men and rapists. Odd twisting and turning of the transwomen and supporters, gives me a bloody headache

ArcaneWireless · 03/02/2023 17:43

As IW has seemingly no problem stating they are a biological woman on Twitter, I wonder why they fudged that statement on QT?

And I really wonder why no one on the panel or audience jumped hard on IW questioning which prison they’d be sent to if they were a victim of rape. A ruddy nonsense.

@WarriorN it does not surprise me one little bit that they retweeted that. Quite hateful.

EndlessTea · 03/02/2023 17:45

MoirasSaggyBundles · 03/02/2023 15:57

Sorry, I don't think your assessment of the audience reaction is strictly accurate. I have just watched it all back. This is how it goes:

Jenny Gilful SNP - speaking about s35 mostly.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

India Willoughby - responds to JG's points.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

Fiona Bruce asks IW to answer the question about safeguarding women.

IW - Women's prison not the WI. If I was raped, which prison would I go to. Best person for the best prison.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

Ella Whelan - JG hasn't answered the question. Is Adam Graham a man or a woman?

EW GETS A CLAP FOR THIS QUESTION

JG - Fillibusters about "the individual". Doesn't answer.

EW - You still haven't answered my Q.

JG - Yes I have.

AUDIENCE JEERS

FB - One more chance to JG to answer the Q

JG - This individual is a rapist.

BIG PROTESTING NOISES FROM AUDIENCE

EW - Sex is real and irrefutable.

BIG CLAP FROM AUDIENCE

EW - If politicians can't deal in reality, why should we believe them on anything. We haven't talked about women. Women are paying for these decisions.

BIG CLAP FROM AUDIENCE

IW - It's not TW doing the attacking, it's predatory men.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE FROM AUDIENCE

IW - rant about cannot help how you are born.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

EW - People are generally liberal minded, but don't want to be forced to say things that aren't true.

BIG CLAP FROM AUDIENCE

IW - you are dragging discussion into the gutter. Chipping away at trans people.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

EW - Anyone who's seen your twitter account can tell you about the gutter.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE.

Audience member - supportive trans comment.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

Audience member - I'm a psychotherapist. Rattle rattle. Support young people.

ABOUT 3 PEOPLE CLAP.

Yellow dress lady - Women have to be safe.

BIG CLAP FROM AUDIENCE

Yellow dress lady - you can't change sex.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

IW - There's hardly any trans people. This is just like the 1970s WRT gay/black people.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

EW/Yellow dress - that's a cheap shot. Remind IW about comments on twitter to a black woman.

IW - explains the twitter comment.

NO AUDIENCE REACTION

John Lamont (Tory MP) - invoked s35 because don't think GRR has necessary safeguarding.

BIG APPLAUSE

JL - Very serious that we had to take the unprecedented s35 action. Scots rushed the GRR through.

APPLAUSE

Ian Murray (Labour MSP) - s35 should only be invoked after both sides try to resolve issue first. Both sides failed to do this. We support GRR reform, but introduced amendment to exclude convicted people that was voted down. Rapists should not be in women's prisons regardless of who they are.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

Audience man - Good, right and proper for Isla Bryson to call herself a woman. No woman was at risk in Corton Vale. Need to have faith in SPS.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

Young woman in audience - This is distracting from important issues like economy. Trans people suffer abuse.

LOUD APPLAUSE

Young man in audience - LGBT people abused forever. No different now.

LOUD APPLAUSE

JG - Govt stoking a culture war. S35 bad. Govt should have raised concerns during passing of bill. We will now work with them to resolve the issues.

NO APPLAUSE

JL - We have concerns. Wider implications. Eg, women's refuges.

EW - Reason this is important is because sex cannot change. I'm the only one on this panel who thinks this.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

EW - the political class's way of talking about this does not reflect the common sense of the nation.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE

EW - It's about understanding what's true and false in society, and how we pass that on to our children.

BRIEF MIXTURE OF BOOS AND APPLAUSE

EW - Facts are important. If we let go of facts, it's bad for our trust in politics.

BIG CLAP FROM AUDIENCE

IW - This is like what was said about gays in the 1970s being rehashed.

RIPPLE OF APPLAUSE.

END OF DISCUSSION.

Ella certainly did not get a lot of boos. At one point, briefly, when she mentioned what we teach our children about truth. Otherwise, she had a lot of audience support. India had hardly any audience support.

Thank you so much for doing this detailed analysis. It confirms what I felt too.

I appreciate the distinction in the kinds of applause.

I also noticed that the applause came from certain groups. It seemed there were the same few people together doing the booing and strategic applause (the jeering about refusing to answer if a rapist can be a woman wasn’t part of it).

There were more ‘supportive encouragement’ ripples of applause after FB would appeal to everyone to #BeNice (without pulling up IW for interrupting and talking over both panel and audience members repeatedly, of course), it sounded like audience members were saying “well done for having the guts to speak on live TV”, rather than responding to comments at times.

There were definite moments when it was obvious that it was majority applause, something had struck a chord with people, compared to the ‘loud applause’ that activists who are used to rallies and so on, know how to generate.

The ‘audience majority applause’ moments were definitely after the pro-reality comments.

borntobequiet · 03/02/2023 17:51

DarkDayforMN · 03/02/2023 16:42

The fact that Willoughby was asking which prison Willoughby should be placed in suggests to me that subconsciously Willoughby relates far more to the male rapist than to the women who were raped.

It also suggests that deep down Willoughby understands the nature of DARVO as it relates to transactivist attacks on women.

That was a genuine WTF moment for me. I had a similar feeling when I heard Nigel Farage speaking about Barack Obama and his words and tone made me realise how utterly abhorrent a racist he was - not just unpleasant but contemptible. I can’t imagine what could be going on in the head of someone who can make a Freudian slip of the sort I heard yesterday, and I don’t want to.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 03/02/2023 18:00

I agree, hence my comment up thread asking if the BBC might notice, and change its coverage to being a bit fairer; like having women discuss women's issues, not a bunch of men.

But given its diversity statistics show over-representation in the LGBTQ+ department, I'm not holding my breath.

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 18:48

Shimmyshimmycocobop · 03/02/2023 15:17

@Boiledbeetle not sure if you realise that's a parody account?

🙄no shit!

😁I know!

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 18:49

Rowthe · 03/02/2023 15:26

Is this a parody account?

Yes, a very funny one

Carlycat · 03/02/2023 19:08

MargaritaPie · 02/02/2023 11:34

India is one of the transpeople JK Rowling has been bullying on Twitter I see.

Bullying my arse 🙄

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