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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

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dunBle · 30/01/2023 19:36

I should imagine the clip will be doing the rounds on twitter shortly if it's not already, but their Scotland correspondant Ciaran Jenkins did a really good job in a brief interview with her when she was on a tour of a TV studio today. Raised the issue of Katie Dolatowski, and got her quite rattled trying to get her to justify her comments about transphobia and racism. Should be on about 8:15/8:20ish if you want to watch it on C4+1

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SinnerBoy · 05/02/2023 14:27

Emotionalsupportviper · Today 13:21

WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE INCELS?

I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/02/2023 15:22

You are right @SinnerBoy

We've all suffered enough.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 17:49

Just catching up on what I've missed.

Whispers

I don't recycle. I have one bin. They take it weekly.

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 18:18

Fuck me Beetle. Do you take it out in your crocs, too? Shock

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 18:20

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 18:18

Fuck me Beetle. Do you take it out in your crocs, too? Shock

I may or may not have a special pair of crocs for that!

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 18:24
Shock

This is too much!

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 18:30

Too much? Never!

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News
Clarabell77 · 05/02/2023 18:51

LikeAnOldFriend · 30/01/2023 20:25

Do any of you ever think about how a trans woman would feel stumbling across your threads on here?

I know you all feel strongly about this but I feel genuinely sad at how the understandably emotive issue of trans women in prisons has whipped people up to a point where there's such glee in posts like this, and underneath it all is such a dismissive and negative view of all the trans women in our society and how they feel - which is often I would imagine desperately unseen, marginalised and discriminated against.

Calling a group the "trans women are women brigade" is so unkind to trans women everywhere who deserve to be recognised.

Totally agree. It’s absolutely disgusting. The vitriol towards Nicola Sturgeon is too, and I don’t understand why, because a) the law hasn’t changed, the media have just decided to start reporting on this stuff (and anyone with any sense knows why) and b) the Act in Scotland was voted through by a majority of cross-party MSPs.

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 18:55

That Telegraph article was the most controversial thing to hit FWR in a long time.

SinnerBoy · 05/02/2023 19:02

Clarabell77 · Today 18:51

^Totally agree. It’s absolutely disgusting. The vitriol towards Nicola Sturgeon is too, and I don’t understand why, because a) the law hasn’t changed, the media have just decided to start reporting on this stuff (and anyone with any sense knows why) and b) the Act in Scotland was voted through by a majority of cross-party MSPs.

It wasn't for a want of trying that the law hasn't passed - yet. As for a majority, 150 years ago, a majority of people thought that malaria was cause by nasty air, hence the name. Further back, people thought that the Earth was flat.

Those ideologues who voted for the law and who voted down the amendment to prevent rapists from being placed in prison with women are worse than reprehensible and fully deserving of all the anger and mockery going their way.

Happylittlechicken · 05/02/2023 19:04

So @clarabell are you still standing by your position that violent male rapists belong in womens prison and Nicola sturgeon was right to allow this? Ok.

OMG12 · 05/02/2023 19:48

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 13:56

Yeah? This one isn't lovable. No matter where I put him he keeps jumping off and attacking people. He's managed to actually knock a clock off the wall before now. Straight onto my head!

I must have got a spell wrong at some point!

Did you say leveosa rather than leveosaaarrrr??? We could always tweet Emma for help!

Have you tried a mediaeval grimoire??

DuesToTheDirt · 05/02/2023 20:06

"Self ID laws and policies create an opening for men who get a thrill out of abusively crossing boundaries.

Adam Graham did this multiple times before being finally convicted of rape. Sturgeon’s government enabled that."

See, it's not even the abusive transwomen rapists and other sex offenders that are the main focus of my anger here. Abusers gonna abuse, I guess.

The main focus of my anger is the political parties (not just the Scottish government, and not just the SNP) who are facilitating and enabling such abuse, and are gaslighting victims by saying it wouldn't/couldn't/doesn't/didn't happen.

It's obvious that some transwomen (whether pretend transwomen or real ones, if we can even differentiate) are violent predators. If we are going to say, "Oh, it's only a minority, we'll deal with them case-by-case," well the same is true of men, only a minority are violent predators. So shall we just allow all men into all women's spaces? And if not, why not?

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 20:10

OMG12 · 05/02/2023 19:48

Did you say leveosa rather than leveosaaarrrr??? We could always tweet Emma for help!

Have you tried a mediaeval grimoire??

Hmmm, I've been saying liveosaaaaaaah,. Maybe it's the accent? And I'm all out of medieval ones, so tried an IKEA one. They just don't make grimoires like they used to!

OMG12 · 05/02/2023 21:48

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 20:10

Hmmm, I've been saying liveosaaaaaaah,. Maybe it's the accent? And I'm all out of medieval ones, so tried an IKEA one. They just don't make grimoires like they used to!

I can only suggest kabbalistic golem magic. You’ll need a secret name of God rather than leveosahh though.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 05/02/2023 21:59

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 18:20

I may or may not have a special pair of crocs for that!

I only bought crocs to be back door shoes (‘Dog Shit Shoes’ my adult son calls them, because they are worn when picking up yard turds).

Well! Bloody things are so comfortable I’ve been known to go to the pub in them!

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 05/02/2023 22:04

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 18:30

Too much? Never!

I have lilac pandas at the moment.

Need new ones though, mine are looking very sad.

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News
OMG12 · 05/02/2023 22:10

Clarabell77 · 05/02/2023 18:51

Totally agree. It’s absolutely disgusting. The vitriol towards Nicola Sturgeon is too, and I don’t understand why, because a) the law hasn’t changed, the media have just decided to start reporting on this stuff (and anyone with any sense knows why) and b) the Act in Scotland was voted through by a majority of cross-party MSPs.

She’s actively campaigned for legislation to put women at risk.

some argue the legislation has been used by NS to force Westminster to stop a piece of Scottish legislation NS thought would be excellent material to bolster her independence ambitions.

she was willing to through women and children under a bus to satisfy her political ambitions. She really isn’t deserving of anyone’s sympathy.

justasking111 · 05/02/2023 22:31

Not just women at risk but children. Only men have escaped these bat shit policies

Sugarfree23 · 05/02/2023 23:23

She's put women and children at risk.
Has many many policies that really aren't helping Scotland.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 23:29

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 05/02/2023 21:59

I only bought crocs to be back door shoes (‘Dog Shit Shoes’ my adult son calls them, because they are worn when picking up yard turds).

Well! Bloody things are so comfortable I’ve been known to go to the pub in them!

Sorry i missed this, it's that time of evening, i was just changing into my smoking crocs

Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News
Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 23:30

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 05/02/2023 22:04

I have lilac pandas at the moment.

Need new ones though, mine are looking very sad.

👀 I have never seen this one!!! Why have i not got this one!!!!

Phones Head office!

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 23:33

justasking111 · 05/02/2023 22:31

Not just women at risk but children. Only men have escaped these bat shit policies

Because they were written by men for men. It's there any down side for men in any of this? Apart from a few transmen deluded enough to be trying to persuade gay men to have sex or saunas with them?

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 06/02/2023 11:07

Sugarfree23 · 05/02/2023 12:40

Our recycling only gets picked up monthly anyway. Honestly if they make it more difficult people will endup chucking stuff in the black bin.

On a local Facebook page, at least three residents have had their recycling bin not emptied because wrong items were in it. They have all stated they will just lob it all in the black bin from now on.

I thought the point of recycling was we all do it imperfectly or a few recycle properly. Annoyingly as the bins were out on the street waiting to be collected, someone had gone along that street randomly getting rid of their own rubbish in these residents bins (is CCTV footage)

I can't say I blame any of the residents, we try our best, are stymied by a random person and then have to fix it. If it happens to me, I'll probably react the same.

Boiledbeetle · 06/02/2023 11:12

Unwraps, throws cellophane outer packaging into the one bin, offers up silent thanks to the local Council

For those who have to endure the hell that is multiple bins and boxes

💐