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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"

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ArabellaScott · 27/01/2023 10:16

Twitter thread. Interview out shortly.

twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1618903941537841153

'there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well'

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ResisterRex · 29/01/2023 18:08

Did we know this before?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/29/un-nicola-sturgeon-common-sense-violent-sex-offenders-jail/

"Court chiefs had wanted to send Bryson to Glasgow's men-only Barlinnie prison. Bryson was was named Adam Graham when committing the rapes and has not legally changed gender.

But the SPS guidance allowing criminals to self-identify their gender meant the rapist was initially sent to Cornton Vale. Following a huge public outcry, Bryson was moved to a men's cell in Edinburgh's Saughton jail."

IcakethereforeIam · 29/01/2023 18:11

Thank you @ResisterRex there's a lot more in that article than the headline. I think the rapist has grounds to sue. I hear Dolatowski's been released. If that's true, that's fortunate timing for Nicola.

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 19:32

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:06

That's a great link, thanks. Untenable says it all.

CompleteGinasaur · 29/01/2023 19:50

Wee Nippy. A F*wit to her fingertips.

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 20:00

This article has the quotes in it, for completeness.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nicola-sturgeon-first-minister-bbc-bill-uk-government-b2270543.html

'... there are people who have opposed this Bill that cloak themselves in women’s rights to make it acceptable, but just as they’re transphobic you’ll also find that they’re deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well.”'

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IcakethereforeIam · 29/01/2023 20:18

Wow, so terfs are all that! It's a good job women are good at multitasking.Grin

georgarina · 29/01/2023 20:21

Sorry haven't RTFT and don't know the backstory.

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue? The majority don't agree with her, and it makes no sense, and as a woman she must be capable of understanding the concerns...so what's the motive?

reesewithoutaspoon · 29/01/2023 20:31

georgarina · 29/01/2023 20:21

Sorry haven't RTFT and don't know the backstory.

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue? The majority don't agree with her, and it makes no sense, and as a woman she must be capable of understanding the concerns...so what's the motive?

Usually following the money gets you an answer, but in this case I still think it boils down to getting another indy ref. It's her only goal in life. I think she picked trans because its the untouchable class and anyone who dared to raise concerns could be shouted down as terfs bigots etc and she would look like the good #bekind, progressive warrior. I bet you she knew full well it was unpopular in the UK and also would clash with equality laws and pinned her hopes on the fact the government would s35 it.
She could then use that to scream about Scotland being overruled thus getting more support for her indy ref agenda and people wouldn't be that arsed because it only affected women and we know that no one cares about our rights so wouldn't be likely to fight it.
Unfortunately, Isla Bryson and the sunlight on the issue threw a massive fuck off spanner in the works, because now she couldn't stand firm saying twaw and should be treated as women in all respects without admitting that that also meant putting a vile rapist in with vulnerable women.

senua · 29/01/2023 20:33

@georgarina

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue?
I understand that gender is a devolved matter so NS could write Scots law regarding gender that clashed with UK law regarding Equalities legislation. She manufactured a problem so that she could jump up and down saying "rotten Westminster trying to stop Holyrood doing stuff! I demand another independence referendum".

PSNonsense · 29/01/2023 20:38

georgarina · 29/01/2023 20:21

Sorry haven't RTFT and don't know the backstory.

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue? The majority don't agree with her, and it makes no sense, and as a woman she must be capable of understanding the concerns...so what's the motive?

Because she a) is obsessed with independence so had to pick a fight with Westminster and b) is in bed with the Greens so has to keep them and their bonkers policies happy.

ditalini · 29/01/2023 20:43

georgarina · 29/01/2023 20:21

Sorry haven't RTFT and don't know the backstory.

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue? The majority don't agree with her, and it makes no sense, and as a woman she must be capable of understanding the concerns...so what's the motive?

She needs the Greens on board for her majority

She thinks it is progressive and wants to align Scotland with "progressive" countries in opposition to UK (cf Canada, Ireland, NZ, Aus)

She thinks it would make a useful point if difference with UK for campaignimg purposes.

Anactor · 29/01/2023 20:47

georgarina · 29/01/2023 20:21

Sorry haven't RTFT and don't know the backstory.

Does anyone know why NS is so stuck on this issue? The majority don't agree with her, and it makes no sense, and as a woman she must be capable of understanding the concerns...so what's the motive?

My guess (just a guess) is that she wanted a fight with Westminster which she could spin as good, progressive SNP against evil Tories, encouraging people towards Independence.

Which would explain why a bunch of perfectly sensible amendments were voted down - they wanted Westminster to invoke Section 35. They needed the Bill to impact on the rest of the UK.

The problem now is that it’s blowing up in her face. A majority of Scots see this as an awful Bill, not a progressive one - so rather than ‘evil Tories’ we’ve got ‘sensible Westminster’. Then there’s the perfect storm of Adam the convicted rapist insisting he’s a woman in the face of some pretty convincing evidence that he really isn’t - and so raising all sorts of questions about the validity of self ID.

But in political life, you can’t just admit you deliberately put forward a cr*p bill to get a reaction from your opponents. That’s a resigning matter.

She is so stuck…

ResisterRex · 29/01/2023 21:07

Is this new? "Progressed in line with human rights obligations". Not mashed up bits of equality act and gender woo

Violent trans prisoners blocked from women’s jails in Scotland pending ‘urgent review’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6d1a70c4-9fff-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=c7df3d53733009d7f9e49c4bbbf67811

"A spokesman said: “This review will consider any history of violence or sexual offending against women, and associated risk, with a view to determining the most appropriate location for the individual to be accommodated.”

They added that any new trans prisoners admitted to the system would be progressed in line with human rights obligations. They also said their policy review will be “independently assessed by experts in women affected by trauma and violence”.

georgarina · 29/01/2023 21:25

Thanks for the explanations. I knew there must be some ulterior motive but it wasn't apparent what it was.

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 22:22

Seems a good time for a Nicola video from Shaunyboy -

twitter.com/shiny02/status/1619819508604235778?s=20&t=ToatDbd4U7onYx1dThL4TA

OMG12 · 30/01/2023 12:42

I do often wonder if something more sinister is going on. Why have so many people in business, the media, education and politics bought into this bonkers ideology so much where the whims of substantially less than 1% of the population are such a driver in policies and have previously been pretty much untouchable.

What is the reason the SNP have Failed to be transparent over funding to LGBT Youth Scotland despite its former CEO being in jail for his part in a child sex scandal inc raping a 3 month old baby.

why, despite repeated freedom of information requests can the Scottish government not account for a lack of review into this?

this Bowing down to trans rights in Scotland is not a new thing, it’s an ongoing problem - why hasn’t it been addressed?

these are the questions Nicola Sturgeon should be answering. I hope some journalist demands answers.

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:42

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23284276.sturgeon-now-acting-like-poundland-trump/

'rather than issue an apology for her dangerous arrogance and order an urgent review of her crumbling legislation, Ms Sturgeon chose to defame the overwhelming majority of Scots who harbour fears about the safeguarding of women’s spaces....
Donald Trump would have been proud of her. It bore all the hallmarks of his evidence-free and increasingly crazed tirades against those who dared to oppose him. By the end of his presidency, Trump’s inner circle had contracted to include only those who had agreed never to tell him anything he didn’t want to hear. I fear that Ms Sturgeon has now tumbled head-long into that bleak rabbit-hole.'

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Delphinium20 · 30/01/2023 18:00

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:42

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23284276.sturgeon-now-acting-like-poundland-trump/

'rather than issue an apology for her dangerous arrogance and order an urgent review of her crumbling legislation, Ms Sturgeon chose to defame the overwhelming majority of Scots who harbour fears about the safeguarding of women’s spaces....
Donald Trump would have been proud of her. It bore all the hallmarks of his evidence-free and increasingly crazed tirades against those who dared to oppose him. By the end of his presidency, Trump’s inner circle had contracted to include only those who had agreed never to tell him anything he didn’t want to hear. I fear that Ms Sturgeon has now tumbled head-long into that bleak rabbit-hole.'

Completely agree about the Trump comparison.

DuesToTheDirt · 30/01/2023 18:11

Have I missed something here? What has racism got to do with this issue? Or is she just saying, "You're all awful people, I expext you're racist as well." ?

OMG12 · 30/01/2023 18:13

DuesToTheDirt · 30/01/2023 18:11

Have I missed something here? What has racism got to do with this issue? Or is she just saying, "You're all awful people, I expext you're racist as well." ?

Yes that’s basically it, only evil people would complain about a double rapist trying to access a woman’s prison.

MichelleScarn · 30/01/2023 18:29

It's a bit darvo isn't it...

D- of course no trans person would be predatory
A- you must be racist and homophobic
RVO- so you want poor (inset one of multiple recent prisoners names here) to go somewhere where there are horrible violent men who will harm their delicate womanly womanness?!

FOJN · 30/01/2023 18:33

The bonkers part of the SNP's deal with the Greens is that if NS had agreed to the amendments which addressed the safeguarding concerns then Westminster wouldn't have got involved and the SNP/Greens probably would have pushed an amended GRR bill through at Holyrood.

Now she's in a legal fight with Westminster over a bill which was unpopular with the Scottish electorate, the predicted problems with self ID have very quickly become apparent and the unionists are making hay; it looks like she might have destroyed her dream of Scottish independence whilst she was busy destroying women's rights.

I wonder if she stopped at any point to question why the Greens were so opposed to safeguarding amendments.

Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2023 18:35

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:06

Well, there's the opposition campaign video for the next election sorted

Waitwhat23 · 30/01/2023 19:08

DuesToTheDirt · 30/01/2023 18:11

Have I missed something here? What has racism got to do with this issue? Or is she just saying, "You're all awful people, I expext you're racist as well." ?

She's been backed into a corner so she's now slinging as much mud as she can and bearing her teeth at everyone. Instead of saying 'ok, we got it wrong here', she's gone on the offensive.

RealFeminist · 30/01/2023 20:40

AH DONT THINK ITS SOMETHING THATS CAPABLE OF BEIN DENIED IN ANY REAL SENSE

twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1620150464561176576?cxt=HHwWgIDTre-Q9_ssAAAA