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Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"

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ArabellaScott · 27/01/2023 10:16

Twitter thread. Interview out shortly.

twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1618903941537841153

'there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well'

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Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:25

For posterity

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"
ditalini · 27/01/2023 23:31

I see that Scottish Trans Alliance, who "guided" the SPS in their thinking on this policy are now saying yes yes this is what we intended all along:

twitter.com/ScottishTrans/status/1618931709982162944?t=Vl0CAF7702O_wNaC6kUllg&s=19

So why, if this was the expected outcome all along, not segregate Bryson in Barlinnie (funnily they do have vast experience in managing vulnerable prisoners there and don't just chuck them into a big fight pit) and risk assess from there?

Why waste taxpayers' money and increase risk with extra prison transport and staff resource?

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:51

ditalini · 27/01/2023 23:31

I see that Scottish Trans Alliance, who "guided" the SPS in their thinking on this policy are now saying yes yes this is what we intended all along:

twitter.com/ScottishTrans/status/1618931709982162944?t=Vl0CAF7702O_wNaC6kUllg&s=19

So why, if this was the expected outcome all along, not segregate Bryson in Barlinnie (funnily they do have vast experience in managing vulnerable prisoners there and don't just chuck them into a big fight pit) and risk assess from there?

Why waste taxpayers' money and increase risk with extra prison transport and staff resource?

Lovely response below

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"
OMG12 · 28/01/2023 08:26

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 23:51

Lovely response below

One can only imagine what it feels like to be a TRA at the moment, Mermaids, their main “catch ‘em young” vehicle under investigation causing the highlighting of some rather embarrassing members of staff and trustees and their very questionable activities meaning the main leaders have had to go, how many parents looking to them were aware of the cock pictures and embracing and sympathetic speeches to “minor attracted people”.? Surely it cant survive unless it is actually going to start offering proper balanced advice and move away from indoctrination, but then now the cat is out the bag and more people know for years it was led by a woman who had her son castrated as a 16th birthday celebration.

everyone now realises the implications of the ideology - if transwomen are women equal to all women then that means big butch rapists are imprisoned with vulnerable women prisoner (it’s handy how it’s also been mentioned in these articles the number of men who transition whilst in custody then de transition when out. Obviously the various sex crimes are mentioned where the crime has been committed in women’s spaces.

mainstream media having articles about AGP (Nick Timothy -I love you).

the usual celebs are being very quiet, where’s Emma Watson in this fighting for us to #bekindtotherapist after all if transwomen are women she should be fighting for this trans woman/rapist to be like all other convicted imprisoned female prisoners and be held in a woman’s prison! Surely anything else would be hypocritical?

mainstream media are seeing where all this is heading and trying to make sure they’re in the right side of history going forward.

The government are pulling out all the stops to prevent Nicola “transwomen are women until the flaws in that become glaringly obvious”Sturgeon’s women hating legislation becoming law because of its conflicts with the rights of women (note no one is saying “cis” it’s transwomen as opposed to women.

Maybe they should replace their #bekindbeheadterfs signs with ones that read, the end is nigh for TRAs.

Wonder what’s going to be the craze/social contagion next year for teens?

will lawyers be able to cope with the demand when all the people irreversibly harmed by this ideology start suing when they realise they’ve been had?

When people read Nick Timothy,s comments (and the ones which will follow now another cat is out the bag) about AGP how are they going to feel if they realise that they might have been participating in someone else’s sexual fetish in a non consensual manner as his article suggests.

If I was a cartoonist, I’d definitely be drawing a picture of Emma Watson and Nicola Sturgeon trying to herd cats leaping out of a bag.

DressingForRevenge · 28/01/2023 09:16

How DARE those weak lily-livered cowards regret their votes. Imagine being in such a position of power and cowing to the “gang” rather than what you know to be true/right. They don’t deserve their positions.

Or are they regretting it because the mean racists/homophobes are questioning it?

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 09:52

One can only imagine what it feels like to be a TRA at the moment

twitter.com/fem_mb/status/1619261657745874944?s=46&t=0Hy7vfz7uT4hvUQvjsvzkg

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 13:17

OMG12 · 28/01/2023 08:26

One can only imagine what it feels like to be a TRA at the moment, Mermaids, their main “catch ‘em young” vehicle under investigation causing the highlighting of some rather embarrassing members of staff and trustees and their very questionable activities meaning the main leaders have had to go, how many parents looking to them were aware of the cock pictures and embracing and sympathetic speeches to “minor attracted people”.? Surely it cant survive unless it is actually going to start offering proper balanced advice and move away from indoctrination, but then now the cat is out the bag and more people know for years it was led by a woman who had her son castrated as a 16th birthday celebration.

everyone now realises the implications of the ideology - if transwomen are women equal to all women then that means big butch rapists are imprisoned with vulnerable women prisoner (it’s handy how it’s also been mentioned in these articles the number of men who transition whilst in custody then de transition when out. Obviously the various sex crimes are mentioned where the crime has been committed in women’s spaces.

mainstream media having articles about AGP (Nick Timothy -I love you).

the usual celebs are being very quiet, where’s Emma Watson in this fighting for us to #bekindtotherapist after all if transwomen are women she should be fighting for this trans woman/rapist to be like all other convicted imprisoned female prisoners and be held in a woman’s prison! Surely anything else would be hypocritical?

mainstream media are seeing where all this is heading and trying to make sure they’re in the right side of history going forward.

The government are pulling out all the stops to prevent Nicola “transwomen are women until the flaws in that become glaringly obvious”Sturgeon’s women hating legislation becoming law because of its conflicts with the rights of women (note no one is saying “cis” it’s transwomen as opposed to women.

Maybe they should replace their #bekindbeheadterfs signs with ones that read, the end is nigh for TRAs.

Wonder what’s going to be the craze/social contagion next year for teens?

will lawyers be able to cope with the demand when all the people irreversibly harmed by this ideology start suing when they realise they’ve been had?

When people read Nick Timothy,s comments (and the ones which will follow now another cat is out the bag) about AGP how are they going to feel if they realise that they might have been participating in someone else’s sexual fetish in a non consensual manner as his article suggests.

If I was a cartoonist, I’d definitely be drawing a picture of Emma Watson and Nicola Sturgeon trying to herd cats leaping out of a bag.

My 16th birthday my mum bought me a saw. She didn't pay to put a saw in the hands of a surgeon to cut my tits off!

What was she thinking?

The TRA s here are very quiet at the moment. Unless I've missed them. Or they are the new username ridiculous comment ones.

The one good thing about us being shut down constantly and the m being happy that that was all that was needed means that now they've got nothing to fall back on. We've got how it happened. Why it happened. The proof that women never tried to tell people about this proven is a lie.I

They have jack shit.

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 13:45

BlackForestCake · 27/01/2023 21:31

This has just been posted in the comments section of Wings over Scotland, and it’s hilarious. I am not the original commenter, I don’t know who they are or who their insider at Holyrood is:

"So my Holyrood insider tells me that Sturgeon ordered the male rapist to be turfed out of Corton Vale as Regan had tweeted that against the Gov and she was going to tear Keith Brown and Sturgeon a new arsehole at FMQs. Apparantly they are petrified of Regan as they think she can be the one to do a ‘Geoffrey Howe’ in the chamber and tell Sturgeon to go. They had seriously underestimated her when she resigned. The comms and SPADs teams tried to run a briefing campaign against Regan, however she is much quicker on her feet and she is meant to have a ‘super’ spin doctor helping her and they saw off all of the attacks making the gov comms team and SPAds look like a right bunch of amateur fannies.

Also, everyone is refusing to go out and bat for this one as they know that it is a failing policy and all MSPs (apart from the rebels) are getting absolute shit from their members. So this is why they are using the serial dipshit Emma Roddick to go in TV, giving the comms trans a lot of worries in case she goes completely nuts or has one of her pseudo fainting episodes live on TV. The only other one to front this is Karen Adam who is now facing a serious backlash and a campaign to oust her in her constituency.

They all thought it would go away once it is was voted on with a few MSPs now openly admitting that they wished they had voted against it after seeing how all the 9 rebels are getting plaudits whilst they are still getting burnt."

Ash Regan...

twitter.com/ashtenregan/status/1619285644345503746?s=46&t=hZbn3gZafTLnXLTIKv5udw

OMG12 · 28/01/2023 15:36

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 13:17

My 16th birthday my mum bought me a saw. She didn't pay to put a saw in the hands of a surgeon to cut my tits off!

What was she thinking?

The TRA s here are very quiet at the moment. Unless I've missed them. Or they are the new username ridiculous comment ones.

The one good thing about us being shut down constantly and the m being happy that that was all that was needed means that now they've got nothing to fall back on. We've got how it happened. Why it happened. The proof that women never tried to tell people about this proven is a lie.I

They have jack shit.

Yep it’s an ideology which has gained traction through lies, threats and intimidation rather than anything solid underpinning it.

so when people see through the lies, and people start standing up to the bullies they have no where to go (except back to the male single sex spaces)

if they had spent their time arguing for third spaces they could go there, but we all know why they didn’t do that.

I actually think some of the GenZ brigade on Facebook can’t understand why the words transphobe and TERF, idiot, stupid etc just don’t shut down debate. When this collapses they are not going to know what to do. I do notice a lot of misogyny in that age range and a lot of pandering to males which I hope will also stop

EpicChaos · 28/01/2023 15:43

She can call me what she likes ( she'd be wrong but hey ho! ) but whatever she called me would be absolutely nothing compared to what i think of her and what i'd call her to her face!

BethDuttonsTwin · 29/01/2023 07:36

MechanicaHound · 27/01/2023 17:17

She's done a Trudeau.

What a vile person she is.

Yes I had forgotten about that. It’s almost as if those who are Wanting Their Own Way politically know full well the immense power, cries of “Racism!” has in shutting down any kind of dissent through creating fearfulness. I’m not just talking about high profile politicians or royals either.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 29/01/2023 07:48

I presume Sturgeon means homophobic like rapey beauty course man accused fellow students of homophobia. Because they were teenage girls and "she" was now a "lesbian".

OMG12 · 29/01/2023 08:07

I mean, this she’s you what an absolutely vile person Sturgeon is. Using experiences like racism and homophobia which people suffer from everyday. Things that peoples have lost their life to to try and cover up their own fuck ups. She doesn’t care about racism or homophobia, if she did she wouldn’t be using these very real and awful crimes to justify her journey through la la land.

if I was gay or non- white Zid be really pissed off ar this woman dragging my experience into her fucked up world!

I mean stonewall have never been homophonic towards lesbians have they?

ResisterRex · 29/01/2023 11:27

Does Sturgeon think the General Secretary of the Scottish Police Federation is homophobic, transphobic and racist? I think we should be told:

At last, people see the reality of gender reform — and don’t like it

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1e9955e-9f52-11ed-b4bb-1b45ac508ab9?shareToken=36f2894ab349421fdc38a3a7ac84407a

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 11:29

Up to this point, shouting 'transphobe/homophobe/racist/bigot/dieterfscum' has worked quite well in making many people stop saying inconvenient things.

But we've hit the tipping point where enough people have seen through it. It's nothing more than a boggart, to which the answer is riddikulus.

queencactus · 29/01/2023 13:31

I think the silencing campaign was very effective. As women we say what happened to Marion Miller and JKR when they tried to speak out. And we saw on an individual level that people recoiled from being called transphobes, terfs and bigots. I think it's great that these terms no longer hold any fear for folk.

queencactus · 29/01/2023 13:32

"saw what" not say what...

OMG12 · 29/01/2023 16:24

ResisterRex · 29/01/2023 11:27

Does Sturgeon think the General Secretary of the Scottish Police Federation is homophobic, transphobic and racist? I think we should be told:

At last, people see the reality of gender reform — and don’t like it

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1e9955e-9f52-11ed-b4bb-1b45ac508ab9?shareToken=36f2894ab349421fdc38a3a7ac84407a

Oh that’s a brilliant piece, the more people see these kinds of things being said the more they will feel empowered to say what they think, realise they have valid concerns . The rapist formerly known as Adam may go down as being the catalyst that brings all this crap crashing down.

I’ve had two Facebook discussions with GenZ trans women are women this week, usual throwing of insults at me, they weren’t able to form a coherent argument, usual regurgitation of soundbites, transphob/TERF etc )I always just define that for them now as someone who values women’s safety and has a grasp on reality and spell out is not a magical word)

neither would shut up until I asked them what they would do with the rapist formerly known as Adam. Not heard a peep since. It’s finally made the arguments so real to see for everyone

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 17:20

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 11:29

Up to this point, shouting 'transphobe/homophobe/racist/bigot/dieterfscum' has worked quite well in making many people stop saying inconvenient things.

But we've hit the tipping point where enough people have seen through it. It's nothing more than a boggart, to which the answer is riddikulus.

Yep.

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ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 17:43

although I did for a minute wonder if 'dieterfscum' was a new kind of low cal soda pop. Or maybe a German word for lawn clippings.

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Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 17:49

I hope she is cringing herself inside out thinking about this

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"
PSNonsense · 29/01/2023 17:58

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 17:43

although I did for a minute wonder if 'dieterfscum' was a new kind of low cal soda pop. Or maybe a German word for lawn clippings.

I was thinking who is Dieter F Scum when he's at home? 😂

IcakethereforeIam · 29/01/2023 18:02

I saw this headline while reading the Callum Steele article. Does anyone have a share token for it?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/isla-bryson-case-trans-rapist-prison-ban-leaves-governors-open-to-legal-action-g65k8rqmp

German lawn clippingsGrin

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:06

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 17:49

I hope she is cringing herself inside out thinking about this

twitter.com/Mercurius_Scot/status/1619723647069085696?cxt=HHwWgIDTnemEtfosAAAA

This is a judiciously edited little bit of film.

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