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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"

228 replies

ArabellaScott · 27/01/2023 10:16

Twitter thread. Interview out shortly.

twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1618903941537841153

'there are people who have opposed this bill that cloak themselves in women's rights to make it acceptable but just as they're transphobic you'll also find that they're deeply misogynist, often homophobic, possibly some of them racist as well'

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nauticant · 27/01/2023 11:24

The First Minister told Lewis Goodhall that as a "geneal principle someone who rapes a woman should not be in a women's prison" but says there's a "danger with a blanket approach because you catch cases that you shouldn't"

What she's doing here is calling in aid to the GRR Bill at Section 6B about screening of sex offenders in order to say that it's unwise to use blanket approaches. She's implying that saying a particular rapist can be excluded from a women's prison because he's a bad rapist, is a manifestation of the sensible and balanced approach adopted by the Scottish government in passing the GRR Bill.

Her fundamental assumption/suggestion is that the GRR Bill is a model of good law. But then she's got to do that because that albatross is securely hung around her neck.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 11:34

I have heard people, politicians, claiming to be defenders of women's rights who I'd never heard defend women's rights in the past.

that's because you refused to listen to the people and you whipped your politicians.

Fuck off Nicola.

bellinisurge · 27/01/2023 11:35

She's blown her s35 strategy. She's fucked up the TWAW "brand". Genie not getting back in the bottle anytime soon

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 11:36

Nicola is aware isn't she that reading her words, if i didn't know NS had said them they sound like Someone describing Trans Rights Activists.

littlbrowndog · 27/01/2023 11:37

From mbm

Sturgeon has accused some opponents to her GRR Bill of being "homophobic and racist" as well as "transphobic"
Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 11:38

ArabellaScott · 27/01/2023 10:22

<dons cloak of acceptability>
<adds merkin>
<vanishes with a flourish of ribbons>

I'm reporting your post for literal ribbon violence.

One got caught in the stage trapdoor.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 11:51

WinterTrees · 27/01/2023 10:38

"Yeah, some of the people who don't agree with me are homophobic and racist and they don't recycle and they use their mobiles in the quiet carriage. Probably. And they probably have BO."

Whispers "I don't recycle"

Awaits stoning.

Grumpybutfunny · 27/01/2023 11:56

Considering no one should be in prison, I have little sympathy on how they are kept but that's another thread on who should be in secure mental services vs prisons!

I do think this defending woman rights at the expense of the rights of transsexuals is wrong and transphobic. No one deserves special treatment why should women have secure single sex spaces if we don't legislate for trans spaces. We should move forward as a society to a place where genotype means nothing we are all equal as we are human. It's time we desexualised ourselves the day a girl can walk down the street in a bikini when a man is topless will be the day we have equal rights.

EndlessTea · 27/01/2023 11:59

🫤

Clymene · 27/01/2023 11:59

Cracking article in the Telegraph today:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/27/trans-rapist-scandal-has-destroyed-nicola-sturgeon/

KangarooKenny · 27/01/2023 12:00

Are there any calls for her to go ?

ImmigrantAlice · 27/01/2023 12:01

Even if the opponents were racist, so what? Are we now going to view as “not valid” even completely normal objections if the person making them is in some way morally deficient?

“Well yes Mr Smith, it’s awful that your television was stolen, but as you don’t fancy overweight people we’re not going to investigate.”

ImmigrantAlice · 27/01/2023 12:03

Grumpybutfunny · 27/01/2023 11:56

Considering no one should be in prison, I have little sympathy on how they are kept but that's another thread on who should be in secure mental services vs prisons!

I do think this defending woman rights at the expense of the rights of transsexuals is wrong and transphobic. No one deserves special treatment why should women have secure single sex spaces if we don't legislate for trans spaces. We should move forward as a society to a place where genotype means nothing we are all equal as we are human. It's time we desexualised ourselves the day a girl can walk down the street in a bikini when a man is topless will be the day we have equal rights.

Is this supposed to be serious, or a parody?

Do you know, without asking, which of your parents gestated and gave birth to you, or do you pretend it could have been either?

maltravers · 27/01/2023 12:05

She’s hoping the magic word “transphobic” still operates like a spell to frighten people so that they shut up.

LeCarre · 27/01/2023 12:08

I tell my kids that if they disagree with someone, they should discuss why, based on facts, and try to find a compromise. I tell them that name calling is not helpful, will just make everyone cross, and is never ok.

Apparently Nicola Sturgeon wasn’t listening when her mum taught her that.

DialSquare · 27/01/2023 12:09

Grumpybutfunny · 27/01/2023 11:56

Considering no one should be in prison, I have little sympathy on how they are kept but that's another thread on who should be in secure mental services vs prisons!

I do think this defending woman rights at the expense of the rights of transsexuals is wrong and transphobic. No one deserves special treatment why should women have secure single sex spaces if we don't legislate for trans spaces. We should move forward as a society to a place where genotype means nothing we are all equal as we are human. It's time we desexualised ourselves the day a girl can walk down the street in a bikini when a man is topless will be the day we have equal rights.

What a load of old bollocks.

LeCarre · 27/01/2023 12:11

“why should women have secure single sex spaces”

Because when women don’t have secure single sex spaces, they get raped quite often.

I am happy for you that you do not know this. Maybe educate yourself though.

Grumpybutfunny · 27/01/2023 12:11

@ImmigrantAlice 🤣🤣🤣 yes, I also know who gave birth to our son and it wasn't the same person who changed the most nappies or did most of the childcare 😉 I don't need help or protection just because I'm XX by birth, what I need is equality so my son has the freedom to be who he wants when he's older.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 12:12

maltravers · 27/01/2023 12:05

She’s hoping the magic word “transphobic” still operates like a spell to frighten people so that they shut up.

It has about as much of an effect on me now as "it's raining" . It's so 2022!

bedisbest · 27/01/2023 12:14

i used to think NS was a smart but cynical woman who pursued this agenda out of a single minded political desire to frame Scotland as progressive, and different from the UK government.

I am now starting to think that she has actually genuinely absorbed all the propaganda. And isn’t as smart as I thought. She is a very good saleswoman, marketeer and communicator. She has brilliantly branded Scotland.

But she’s failed on the big political challenges facing Scotland and she’s ‘progressive’ for the sake of it, rather than having a deeper more well thought through concept of the Scotland she wants to move the country to and why and what that means for the people of Scotland.

SinnerBoy · 27/01/2023 12:14

Boiledbeetle · Today 11:51

Whispers "I don't recycle" Awaits stoning.

Like, here's the weed, maaaan.

SinnerBoy · 27/01/2023 12:15

DialSquare · Today 12:09

Grumpybutfunny · Today 11:56

What a load of old bollocks.

Well, I must say that your opinion of their screed is much more positive tna is mine!

WallaceinAnderland · 27/01/2023 12:16

When she says 'all women' does she mean 'men and women'?

I can't keep up with everyone's individual interpretation of the word woman any more.

Perhaps she could add an interpretative dance to make clear what she means.

EndlessTea · 27/01/2023 12:17

I need is equality so my son has the freedom to be who he wants when he's older.

What you need to do is teach your son to respect women and girls boundaries before he is big and strong enough to force his way through.

DialSquare · 27/01/2023 12:17

SinnerBoy · 27/01/2023 12:15

DialSquare · Today 12:09

Grumpybutfunny · Today 11:56

What a load of old bollocks.

Well, I must say that your opinion of their screed is much more positive tna is mine!

Grin