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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Question about trans women cycles

234 replies

Borris · 23/01/2023 20:34

I have a genuine question

I have a new ish work colleague who I get on well with and enjoy her company. She's a lesbian. Except that her girlfriend is a trans women. That's fine. I'm happy to refer to her by her chosen name and pronouns.

But what confused me is my friend saying more than once that their cycles had synched up and so they had one week a month when they were both super emotional.

Can this be a thing? Do trans women take different hormones at different times of the month? Genuine question, not being goady

Obviously only asking out of sheer nosiness. The first time she mentioned their cycles I didn't know that the partner was a trans woman and so now feel it's too late to ask!

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Wiccan · 24/01/2023 13:14

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 22:08

But you still can't misgender India W that thread is a mass of deletions!

Now JKR is more of a women than IW will ever be !

FetchezLaVache · 24/01/2023 13:15

@Itismeghan my son knows he can dress and act in whatever way he chooses and that I will support his right to do so. He also understands that it's physically impossible to change sex. He's got a friend who's a trans boy; I call her by her chosen name, but I have explained to DS that under no circumstances will I refer to her as 'he', because she is not and cannot be male. I imagine he'd realise I'd apply the same principle to him.

IcakedefargeIam · 24/01/2023 13:16

I think I saw 'scrotum gantry' somewhere, I quite liked that one.

ZeldaFighter · 24/01/2023 13:19

Whichwhatnow · 24/01/2023 13:03

Yes this is bollocks but appears to be quite a prevalent delusion. My neighbour goes on and on about her periods and how she can't wait to go through the menopause so she stops getting PMT. She's recently started mentioning hot flushes and how she can't wait to not be worried about an unwanted pregnancy.

She is very obviously a fully intact man (the clingy clothes around the crotch area and full beard make this extremely clear). It's insane.

I could not deal with that. I'm prepared to be polite and respectful where appropriate but menopause is a touchy subject as I approach it and I could not listen to that without going into sailor mode (it's like boy mode but with a f* of a lot more swearing).

lordloveadog · 24/01/2023 13:20

"Yes this is bollocks but appears to be quite a prevalent delusion. My neighbour goes on and on about her periods and how she can't wait to go through the menopause so she stops getting PMT. She's recently started mentioning hot flushes and how she can't wait to not be worried about an unwanted pregnancy.

She is very obviously a fully intact man (the clingy clothes around the crotch area and full beard make this extremely clear). It's insane."

This is why I won't mis-sex people anymore. Once we start going along with nonsense, when do we stop? The claims only get more outrageous.

One of the experiences that peaked me was seeing a male friend appropriating his partner's birth-giving and breastfeeding because he was 'the mother'. And watching idiot female friends fawning over him on his social media posts, none of which mentioned the woman who actually gave birth.

The relationship OP describes does not sound healthy at all.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 24/01/2023 13:22

Whichwhatnow · Today 13:03

Yes this is bollocks but appears to be quite a prevalent delusion. My neighbour goes on and on about her periods and how she can't wait to go through the menopause so she stops getting PMT. She's recently started mentioning hot flushes and how she can't wait to not be worried about an unwanted pregnancy.

She is very obviously a fully intact man (the clingy clothes around the crotch area and full beard make this extremely clear). It's insane.

I think 'shut up you disrespectful (rhymes with) farce' is the best response, follewed by 'you not only do not know, you can never know what you're talking about'

You could point out that you do not know, and can never know, what it feels like to get a knee in the nuts.

Wiccan · 24/01/2023 13:27

TheClogLady · 24/01/2023 13:14

It’s a load of, quite literally, bollocks

Come on now, it 2023!
You can’t reduce people to genitals like that

You need to use people-first or active language now!

May I suggest

People-with-Bollocks
Owners-of-Scrotums
Testicle-having-Humans
Sac-Carriers

?

🤓

I have literally spat tea all over my lounge I can't stop laughing . I am definitely using those more in conversation 👍

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 13:41

I thought the thread was going to be about bicycles too 🤣🤣

I'd just nod politely and smile of you value the friendship OP.

This however is one of the main reasons I'm now WFH and only have to interact with colleagues once a week. The world is going mad, I can't be arsed to keep up with the ever evolving PC bullshit.

I have become a hermit, because society just boggles me these days. At the meer age of 33 I've officially "checked out". I limit contact with places like the NHS and public services, I have a handful of friends who I see once a month who are also like me (my people) and I just don't engage with society.

Luckily I'm the mother of a only son, so he won't really have to worry about all this. 🙄

Florissant · 24/01/2023 14:27

This is why I won't mis-sex people anymore. Once we start going along with nonsense, when do we stop? The claims only get more outrageous.

I agree. The absurdity never ends: men claiming to have PMS / periods, getting hurty feels because someone has the temerity to not give in to their lies, the 'brave and stunning' nonsense when they beat (sometimes literally) women in sports etc.

I'm no longer lying nor am I coddling someone with their delusions. Sex is determined at time of conception and is immutable. Humans cannot change sex. I am not using she / her / hers when speaking about men.

Itismeghan · 24/01/2023 14:44

OK. Put yourself in their shoes, metaphorically speaking. Imagine feeling that you’re a woman trapped in a man’s body. Would you deem yourself mentally ill and seek therapy, or would you live as your true self?

Whichwhatnow · 24/01/2023 14:51

Itismeghan · 24/01/2023 14:44

OK. Put yourself in their shoes, metaphorically speaking. Imagine feeling that you’re a woman trapped in a man’s body. Would you deem yourself mentally ill and seek therapy, or would you live as your true self?

I would live as my true self but I would not attempt to appropriate experiences that are women's alone. I know several transwomen. Most just live as women and that is fine, why would I have an issue with people identifying however they want? What I do have an issue with is people pretending to be have women's experiences, encroaching on women's spaces and somehow seeking to be more of a woman than people who are actually born as women.

DarkDayforMN · 24/01/2023 14:52

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DarkDayforMN · 24/01/2023 14:59

I think you really meant to say “imagine that you feel you are a man trapped in a woman’s body” but the problem there is that there are no kinds of experiences would make me start imagining I was a man. If I’m having the experience, it’s a female experience by definition. I hope that if I developed or became aware of any persistent delusions about myself I’d aim to overcome them, with professional help if needed.

DarkDayforMN · 24/01/2023 15:00

Oh, I see my reply was deleted for pointing out that if I “had a man’s body” I’d be someone else?

BellaAmorosa · 24/01/2023 15:02

IcakedefargeIam · 24/01/2023 13:16

I think I saw 'scrotum gantry' somewhere, I quite liked that one.

Superb! 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:10

I've realised I've labelled her lesbian but she might be bisexual. But she doesn't mention past men. She just says things like dating women is so much less complicated

She's not dating a woman. She's in a heterosexual relationship, if she's also attracted to women she is bisexual.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:12

Lol, count me as another who expected this to be a thread about:

me too Grin

Thedaysthatremain · 24/01/2023 15:17

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 23/01/2023 21:44

TBF to your colleague, my husband is well moody when I’ve got my own period and dd and I joke that he’s got his period too. Realistically I think it’s more bad temper because he knows he isn’t getting sex for a least another week. Maybe your colleague’s boyfriend is the same.

Why do you put up with this bullshit?

MeanCanadianLady · 24/01/2023 15:17

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 12:01

@MeanCanadianLady I am loving your posts.

For many reasons, medical and hectic lifestyle at times, I wouldn't have been able to track like this. But I've always known from the symptoms and stuff I was able to identify that there it's a lot going on in a woman's reproductive system through the whole month.

So reading your posts are both fascinating, love a good informative overshare, and confirm a lot of the things that I've suspected, but never got around to tracking in myself.

Thank you

Boiled x

🍫

If you ever struggle to find time I highly recommend the tempdrop! I used it when I was postpartum when my sleep schedule was too chaotic during the early days of new parenthood. It helps a great deal and takes the element of having to remember taking it every morning. Also night nurses swear by it. 😊

ClaphamSouth · 24/01/2023 15:18

Itismeghan · 24/01/2023 14:44

OK. Put yourself in their shoes, metaphorically speaking. Imagine feeling that you’re a woman trapped in a man’s body. Would you deem yourself mentally ill and seek therapy, or would you live as your true self?

How would I know that what I was feeling was how a woman feels?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:20

but it does seem like people spend a lot of time claiming 'If trans women really were women they'd talk about this or they'd do that'. And when trans women do 'talk about this or do that', then they go 'Eeuh, not like that

I'm not sure any of us are saying males should pretend to have periods Confused it's a physical impossibility, it's appropriation of something that in many cases is something women struggle with.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:21

Sac-Carriers

That could be Father Christmas or a burglar though Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:23

How would I know that what I was feeling was how a woman feels?

Indeed. Just like MTF trans people can't know this.

IcakedefargeIam · 24/01/2023 15:24

Why is gender dysphoria treated differently from any other delusion? We don't affirm anorexic, schizophrenics, munchausen (although 'by proxy' sometimes gets a pass). Certainly, if a man or woman's are mentally tortured by a delusion we give them therapy and drugs. Why is this one different? Blokes can wear frocks, put on lippy, take wrong sex hormones, even have surgery, they will still be blokes. It's not wrong to say that. It doesn't mean you hate them or you want them to not exist. That's created a culture of victimisation that's been disastrous for women and children and harmful, in the long term, to these men and on the wider society.

I think JKR said something pertinent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:24

munchausen (although 'by proxy' sometimes gets a pass

Coincidentally, often on this very issue!