Why are trans people the "most marginalised and vulnerable" in society?

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Trans people are often described as being the most marginalised and vulnerable in society.

I do not pretend that people who identify as trans aren't subjected to prejudice or ridicule and indeed, sadly, threats of violence. Yet how is it quantified that they are THE most vulnerable within the UK? What evidence supports this? I genuinely want to know because I find it difficult to find statistics that relate exclusively to the UK.

They're not. It's just one of the mantras.

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

They are not. Compare them to, say, trafficked nail bar workers or people with profound intellectual disabilities.

Emily Thornberry trotted this chestnut out on the radio yesterday and I so wanted Asmah and Stig to challenge her.

Add disabled people to your list and the hoops they have to go through to get the most meagre of help, and who are discriminated against and abused on a daily basis.

Trans people are one of the least marginalised and vulnerable groups in the UK. They say they are marginalised because people won't be forced to believe what they believe about themselves and they get so very, very upset that they can't force people to.

The demographic most likely to be murdered is babies under one.

It’s a tagline for more trope.

But Mr O Jones can help you end the war on trans people - m.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEiwYv76m0&fbclid=IwAR0InpSQO5BdICEr5X0oW1gt38Yn1jG0YBsFb8c3T--qKxJDamRK-9_wXFg

They say they are marginalised because people won't be forced to believe what they believe about themselves and they get so very, very upset that they can't force people to.

Which, to be fair, is not something any other groups really have to put up with.

(What with other groups not basing their entire existence and happiness on denial of reality).

They say they are marginalised because people won't be forced to believe what they believe about themselves and they get so very, very upset that they can't force people to.

It's as simple as that. They say, "I AM what I say I am" despite all material evidence to the contrary.

That wouldn't be a problem if they weren't self harming and if the males among them weren't trying to gain access to women's sex based rights.

And what's the stats for women vs trans there?

Oh my goodness is that true? 😢 why?

They are not!

Oh come on! What did i say that warranted deletion?

Let's try again.

They aren't the most marginalised and they aren't the most vulnerable.

Please provide a source for this

That is, AuxArmesCitoyens please provide source.

This says otherwise:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20age%20group,to%2044%20years%20(99%20victims)

Sorry, it doesn't say otherwise.

Children under one, highest per-capita rate
25-34 year olds, highest absolute number.

Because mumsnetters gang up on them?

Because when using the wrong pronoun is literal violence, and if anyone who doesn’t believe you can be labelled your abuser and deserving of abuse in return, you can claim to be the most marginalised and most vulnerable.

I suspect that only some trans people use this phrase, others won’t. It often comes from lobby groups and their representatives and quite a few trans allies though.

I don't know that citing murder rates is especially helpful when discussing 'marginalised and vulnerable'. Certainly the murder rate for trans people is, happily, very low in the UK. And Europe as a whole.

But marginalised and vulnerable means something other than that. Marginalised is easier as it means (to me, at least) at the border or boundary of something. So - low employment rates, low grade work, poor housing, poor health etc.

Vulnerable - trickier. More likely than most to have bad things happen to you, to be dependent on others for basic needs, not able to easily fight back? Yet there are so many vulnerable groups in our society - babies, small children, people with disabilities. How can we rank them? Do we rank them? How does a late-transitioning male barrister compare to a female who was born deaf & blind? I know which one I consider most vulnerable and marginalised. But I have no proof, nor do I know where to find it. But it would be very useful to have it.

Remember, TRAs also encourage each other to report absolutely anything (misgendering, tweets they don't like, anything at all) to the police in order to up the number of "hate incidents" on record. So remember that when you next see a headline about trans hate crimes have gone up by xxx%.

Yes, not to mention getting an older disabled lady in Wales arrested for putting up stickers about domestic violence, getting a young women arrested for politely asking a person to leave the women’s toilets that clearly should not have been in there, police home visits for a feminist sticker on a front door, a YouTube video criticising paedophiles, a young teenage boy getting a police visit and threatened with prison if he repeated his behaviour which was to correctly answer his friend’s question about the sex of the girl stood in front of him.

Maybe not so marginalised and oppressed? I don’t think women can get that level of service from the police.

Logically, they are not.

People who are truly vulnerable in our society:

children living with abusive parents/carers, homeless teens, women who were trafficked for the sex trade, many people with disabilities especially those who are deemed to lack capacity to make decisions for themselves, women who are forced to have arranged marriages, many elderly people, immigrants who are brought in by criminals and force to work for next to nothing ...

Frankly there is a huge list of people who are more vulnerable than a man who decides to transition of their own will...

It's because transwomen stop being treated like gods when they transition, all that unearned privilege, playing life on the easiest settings - gone. They experience discrimination, abuse - often for the first time. And the shock of it is so terrible they assume nobody else in the world is ever treated like that, they must be the most poor and oppressed and marginalised people in the world who have ever lived ever.

Because a certain group of powerful white men who live as trans identified are extremely narcissistic and they know instinctively that they don’t really have anything that makes them vulnerable. What thery are vulnerable to is being mocked and laughed at or rejected as women by women, which makes them incensed and they consider completely unacceptable. Not being lauded and fawned over = persecution to them. So a PR narrative had to be created that glosses over the fact that when it comes to men who identify as trans we are talking about one of the most financially comfortable and comparatively powerful groups in any Western society.

That’s why they have mantras and “No Debate!” because there is no factual evidence for their claims.