Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

A lot does go on behind the scenes in parliament and there are people from all parties and concerned organisations inputting. However more input from the general public about behaviour in the house is important and if you are a Labour member, voter, have a Labour MP do get in touch. They may well ignore you but the more the merrier. Starmer is being badly advised on this but there are some around him starting to wake up.

He did apologise but it was an awful "she made me do it" apology the next day. I've made it clear that it was an inadequate apology in my view when I contacted the Speaker.

See the 3rd Point of Order

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-01-18/debates/19A82D1A-DEF0-4AE7-A764-30645997A602/PointsOfOrder

My assumption is the Labour leadership are hoping his resignation and 'applogy' is all they'll need. But this depends on whether Parliament/the Speaker wish for anything further - if so Labour will be forced to put out a public condemnation

I agree. There was zero taking of responsibility or acknowledging that what he chose to do was entirely unacceptable.

In which other public servant roles do people get away with this kind of behaviour? Frankly in what reception class would a four year old get away with this kind of behaviour...

This is not an apology:

"On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I wanted to notify the House at the earliest opportunity that I have written to the hon. Member for Penistone and Stocksbridge (Miriam Cates) to acknowledge that the tone of my remarks in the Chamber yesterday was a mistake. I stand by the words that I said, and I profoundly disagree with the comments that the hon. Member made, but our job as MPs is to channel passion and anger into considered debate to win our arguments—in this case, on the trans community and devolution. I recognise that I failed to control that passion during what was an emotional debate. I should have expressed my deep disagreement on what I believe is an abhorrent view in a more appropriate way. I want to particularly apologise to Madam Deputy Speaker, who had to preside over the debate."

It doesn't address how he came to the conclusion that Miriam said words that constituted "transphobia" and it doesn't address his decision to cross the floor and sit near her. We all know what going and sitting near her was intended to do because we've all experienced this kind of behaviour from men.

He only apologised for his tone and the reiterated that he stood by everything he said. It wasn't an apology at all.

Oops, timing!

He posted it on Twitter as well and was roundly criticised for a style of apology straight out of an abusers handbook - if only she hadn't made me so angry etc. etc.

He framed it as "I'm so passionate I couldn't stop myself", which is playing to the "decapitate TERFs" kind of gallery. It's also classic "she made me do it". It's worse than no apology.

Which views of hers were 'abhorrent'? The only abhorrent thing i could see was his behaviour. He wouldn't have crossed the floor and done that to a male MP.

If by some miracle the little shit is sanctioned there would be a way forward to a recall petition. Just putting this out there in the unlikely event that someone in authority cares about women, children and our democracy and will hold the arsehole to account.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/

No, he wouldn't.

Because we all know, from the life experience we all garner, that if a male tries it on with another male like that - which is in part sexual aggression and using it with intent to intimidate - there's a good chance the male will react by punching him in the face.

I think i want to throw up

Page 33 three little trusting games.

Let's get the young children used to lots of people touching them all over.

And i know they stick a no means no at the end but how many children in class at 8 years old when faced with their teacher and their classmates all taking part will have the strength to say no?

At some point I'll build up the courage to read the whole thing properly rather than just flicking through but I'm not there yet!

Holy Moyley!

Between the ‘teach all kids about auto erotic asphyxiation’ and THIS DOCUMENT - surely the police, let alone Labour, need a look at his hard drive?

That's just about unbelievable.

He's back on Twitter spouting his lies👇

He's talking Complete bollocks of course

What!!!

Where does one start with these “trusting games”?

For starters, talking to 8+ about “sensitive issues of gender and sexuality” is wholly inappropriate.

I can’t get beyond that as it makes me angry. Grooming in plain sight.

The "explanation" lacks credibility.

@Datun I only went to that page as the title caught my eye on the index page and the red bunting immediately went up.

I disagree with These sorts of things in adult training sessions, and I'm a very very strong woman and even I had issues standing my ground on not taking part in These sort of trust exercises. I mean I always won because no one touches the beetle.

But young kids. It's fucking sick. It's the first step to, "well you don't mind your friends touching your body this is no different, trust me it will feel nice, and I'll give you a chocolate bar after". as the grown man sticks his hand down the young child pants

It is literally/bodily teaching ‘we have no natural boundaries here’ ….. ‘and now we are going to talk about sex and gender’.

That space we leave between ourselves and others by instinct is so important.

I just don't understand how intelligent adults who in the main should have some knowledge of safeguarding, or having children, can read a document like this and go "yeah that's fine...But there's a spelling mistake on page 6, otherwise it's good to go to the printers".

Boiled, some people seem to have gained status as a special class who cannot be questioned.

Many many years ago I was working abroad and used to come into contact with groups of MPs on ‘fact finding’ missions. It was effectively a jolly, and not helped by the fact that the stop on the tour was Bangkok.

Some MPs were good. Others were awful. This was in the days when safe Labour seats were allocated, almost as retirement jobs, to loyal trade unionists and the calibre of some was suspect. I got on well with one Tory MP who enlisted my help. The whips had charged him to keep an eye on one of his colleagues who was a well known alcoholic. What could have been dull formal occasions took on a farce like quality as we worked together to steer our jovial drunk through them.

He too was a dinosaur. The sort of upper class type for whom being selected to a seat was a mere formality. Things have changed for both parties, but the system is still throwing up duffers. The Tories have their share of time servers and worse, perhaps because their membership is so unrepresentative. (The typical Tory member is white, male, aged 57.) Whilst ‘democracy’ in the greens and Labour seems so time consuming that it will be difficult for sensible person with a busy life (job, family etc) to engage. Bits of Labour seem like a branch of student politics and the Momentum grip on some local parties is evident.

Thank goodness for the Rosies and Miriams. I am happy for the parties to disagree about economic policies. I do want a solid core of MPs who have common decency, an ability to think for themselves, empathy, and some real world experience.

I increasingly think the solution is for women like ourselves to engage in party politics. Whatever party. To try and ensure that we get the representatives we need.

The fact that he's put his latest excuse out this morning means the story isnt going away. Well done everyone.