Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

[ArabellaScott]

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

Good Lord. Does Labour do any due diligence at all?

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"Many of us are concerned by the sexualisation of children within gender ideology.

Here are materials from ‘Socialist Educational International’, stating: “children are sexual beings from their birth onwards”.

I note that a contributor to this document is Lloyd Russell-Moyle."

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"Full document:

ifm-sei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/RR-English.compressed.pdf"

@ResisterRex I'm feeling rather angry right now but it I say what I want to say I will be banned.

Here's the edited version @#£%&-345%"*':;;+&£#='+++'"%##= "!!!!! Fucker

Perhaps next weekend, the Mail can go with:

"Does Labour have a child protection problem?"

There's plenty of material.

I suppose it shouldn’t be a surprise after his “teach schoolkids strangulation techniques” contribution to the discourse, but somehow I assumed his rabid TRA status was merely a result of being deeply stupid and off the charts misogynistic.

As it so often transpires, it looks there might be other reasons. Is Labour going to do anything about him?

There's never any unconnected dots, is there? It's all there. Always.

And if we can all join the dots why can no one in a position of power or responsibility do the same.

Yeah the obvious reaction to the death of his young family member in such a way should have been get porn on the internet sorted and teach children you should never ever ever ever put your hands or anything else round yours or another person's throat and tighten till hardly breathing or dead.

Not oh yeah that's fine but when they start to lose consciousness, then relax your grip and don't squeeze to hard as then then might accidentally die

It wasn't just that, it was clear from the debate that he'd not asked the parents whether he could use it for misguided political "gain" talk about the tragic death of their son publicly. It's a vile thing to have done. I'd be devastated all over again, were that my child.

I'd forgotten that. I bet he's not included in the family Christmas newsletter distribution list anymore.

To be clear, given the choice between voting for RLM and next door's cat, the cat would get my vote.

I did mean LRM but he's a twat however you arrange his initials.

Thank you for these links. The third link, to the rainbowed document, is eye opening. The paragraph on “children and sexuality” is very concerning. I wouldn’t want any adult using this “guidance” within a thousand miles of my child.

do you think he’d have done that to another man?

I doubt it. I would encourage him though, to try doing so in a rough boozer.

There's never any unconnected dots, is there? It's all there. Always.

This does seem to happen a lot, doesn't it?

But if you think about it, it shouldn't be surprising.

When a political/philosophical position is correct, fair, etc, then a lot of the people supporting it will be doing so because it's correct, fair etc. If you look at the people who support, say, gravity or public healthcare, you're going to get a healthy mix of people.

When it's as extremely incorrect and unfair as this one, then nobody will be doing so because it's correct or fair. They can only be drawn to it out of character defects or bad motivation. At best it's lack of critical thinking or authoritarian follower personality. But then there are all the darker options that it enables. You're going to get a whole bunch of bad types swimming in a sea of people not paying attention. And the people not paying attention are not going to be the most vocal, so the visible faces will have a strong likelihood of being bad types.

Now, the TRA anger at "TERFs" etc is a DARVO of that - an insistence that everyone opposing them is doing so out of character defects or bad motivation. But they've skipped the bit where they should have demonstrated their side was self-evidently the correct and fair one. It's begging the question: Why is your side right? Because the only people who oppose us are evil? Why are they evil? Because they're opposing the right side.

Although you can say something about our character - our position is correct and fair (IMO), so you've got a whole bunch of people there because of that, like gravity, but there's also a filter so that you're tending to get a cluster of personality types (arguably defects) - pedantry, anti-socialness, disagreeability - basically all the things that make you more likely to stop and notice and say something when something people are going along with isn't right.

I don’t know, @Boiledbeetle, but I can see that more and more people - ordinary ones, not those in power with huge egos and who do nothing without thinking of their reputations or their SM “likes” - are speaking out about seeing how the dots join.

You can’t fail to see the whole picture now.

I don’ understand why he hasn’t been reprimanded and has not apologised.

I’m wondering if it’s worth contacting and asking the Speaker (through the Speaker’s office) what’s the consequences are to be, given it happened in the Commons.

To date, I don’t know for sure if Speaker Lindsay Hoyle knows what his Deputy Rosie Winterton presided over. I’d had assumed she’d give him a report, but maybe not.

It’s helpful to the Speaker for an MP’s truly atrocious behaviour to be clearly on camera like this. No ‘he said she said’. Just watch the footage, Mr Speaker.

I've already emailed Lindsay Hoyle, cant do any harm.

I've written too. I've commented on how his behaviour affects the public perception of Parliament as well as asking for it to be looked into further.

This is an outstanding post that deserves its own thread.

Yes, a great deal of food for thought here.

Although you can say something about our character - our position is correct and fair (IMO), so you've got a whole bunch of people there because of that, like gravity, but there's also a filter so that you're tending to get a cluster of personality types (arguably defects) - pedantry, anti-socialness, disagreeability - basically all the things that make you more likely to stop and notice and say something when something people are going along with isn't right.

Trying not to take that personally.

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, to be fair.

Great analysis. On the general thread we'd been reflecting on this, hope it is OK to C&P it there?

ArabellaScott · Today 09:25

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, to be fair.

That's true, but with something like this, a spokesperson should have made a statement, saying that they're looking into it and taking it seriously.

Yes. I'm hoping there will be a statement today.

Ever the optimist.