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Complications from trans surgery!

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 20:20

I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

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PoIIyPandemonium · 19/01/2023 12:05

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AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 12:26

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You should see what they did to the one forum that collated most of the stuff that would be deleted on here if we even hint at it.

They said Mumsnet was next, that's how determined they are to keep alot of info that we are not allowed to discuss on here, off the books so to speak.

As I said, it's like a cartel.

BethDuttonsTwin · 19/01/2023 12:46

pattihews · 19/01/2023 11:56

Tell all your friends about this forum. Post them links. When anyone mentions any concerns about what's happening, send them here to read the Break It Down For Me thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Which is several years old and just keeps growing as new information and stories keep coming. My question to you is how you managed to avoid this subject for so long and what else has been slipped past you without you realising? I've started reading the news very much more carefully than I ever did in the past.

Indeed. Some of us have known about this stuff for nearly a decade and been called liars, bigots and transphobic repeatedly for trying to get it out there. I’m glad to see people are becoming aware but I can’t help but feel jaded.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 19/01/2023 12:55

TulipR is a Scottish de-transitioner who wrote about his experiences going through the process: but realised he was not trans, but a gay man who needed therapy to cope with ocd, not surgery.

*My pelvis is behaving as if it’s been impaled, constantly trying to heal, constantly confused with what to do with the nerves. My urethra goes through cycles of constriction, meaning every 2 years I need surgery to open it again.

Dismiss me if you like, and put it down to ‘poor surgical outcomes’, but it’s not - I got lucky if you can believe it, I can climax, but there is nothing but numbness in the outer groin, I have tried prodding with clean knives and needles to see if I feel anything, but it’s just not there, there are isolated patches of nerve connectivity too where i can, but its mostly numb. This is not rare.*

tullipr.substack.com/p/scrambled-eggs?s=w

IcakethereforeIam · 19/01/2023 13:08

I think the may have been posted upthread, but jic. Please follow the link below to the MN petition board, sign and share this petition to clarify the Equality Act to keep single sex spaces, single sex not gender. Thank you.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

RichardBarrister · 19/01/2023 13:47

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Hi Polly, I get how you feel generally. There have been strenuous efforts on many platforms to stop us discussing these exact issues. I’m sure you are well on your way to working out why and who benefits.

The surgeon I mentioned was Christopher Inglefield and he was suspended for a month (which in doctor terms is apparently quite serious as it messes with their insurances). If you search his names and look at Images, the shirtless pics he used to use should come up. I think most of them have now been removed from his Insta.

I am also reminded of another London based surgeon specialising in trans surgery who sold merch promoting his services. He sold t shirts with double mastectomy scars as the design. I am quite shocked that marketing a huge elective surgical procedure in this way is legal but there seem to be a lot of free passes in this area. I think he might also have been the one posing for ‘funny’ Christmas photos holding two buckets of ‘breast tissue’ from surgery.

Quite horrifying really.

MiaMoor · 19/01/2023 13:52

When you start looking into it all, really looking, and going beyond the huge great big safeguarding red flags where children are concerned, you start to see the inevitable links made with anything involving queer theory - which is very much at the root of this.

There are posters on Twitter logging the incredibly high rates of concerning behaviour that “never happens”, the advisors/people on positions of authority who have backgrounds that should bar them from ever being in the positions they are in.

It goes way beyond being screwed up to allow children to choose to be the opposite sex (even though they can’t), and beyond women’s single sex spaces, which of course is vitally important.

If you want to learn more look into queer theory, back to its roots. Look at what else QT followers advocate for.
There’s a very good reason that women are aggressively silenced and discredited, and it’s not because they’re wrong, and unquestioning fools don’t think beyond being progressive and inclusive.

The world has been allowed to become royally fucked over, and unless more people read the difficult stuff like this and stand up, who knows what we’re going to have to deal with in the future. Women’s rights are all but gone already.

Beowulfa · 19/01/2023 13:54

A prominent transwoman insists they have a cervix.

A prominent transman allegedly expressed surprise and disappointment at being unable to breastfeed after a double mastectomy.

Either these individuals did not have the full biological reality of their surgeries explained to them in advance, or they were of the mindset to not listen/understand.

In terms of medical ethics both scenarios are troubling and warrant scrutiny.

PoIIyPandemonium · 19/01/2023 14:13

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IcakethereforeIam · 19/01/2023 14:16

'Buckets of 'breast tissue'',Shock. Fuck!

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 14:19

IcakethereforeIam · 19/01/2023 14:16

'Buckets of 'breast tissue'',Shock. Fuck!

In my mind that is only an acceptable thing when the bucket has KFC written on the side.🐓

IcakethereforeIam · 19/01/2023 14:23

Grin@Boiledbeetle thank you. Don't give them ideas though, that could get very dark.

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 14:24

When you start looking into it all, really looking, and going beyond the huge great big safeguarding red flags where children are concerned, you start to see the inevitable links made with anything involving queer theory - which is very much at the root of this.

See also the cartoons for kids and on posters and in books with their mastectomy scars. Drip drip drip into kids awarenesses.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/01/2023 14:28

nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 08:45

Let's face it, neither a post-op F2M nor a post-op M2F is as much of a threat to women as some people who claim to be pre-op M2F might occasionally be

Sadly not true - males whose penis doesn't work, either from surgery or medication, use objects to sexually assault instead. I'm wracking my brains trying to think of the recentish case where a transwoman attacked the owner of a clothes shop catering to transwomen, I can't find the attackers name. Male bodied people don't lose their greater physical strength when they transition, hence the issues with transwomen in women's sports.

Pre-op (or no-intention-to-have-an-op) males who identify as trans appear to commit sexual offences at six times the rate of non trans identifying males, if current prisons stats are correct. So not really an 'occasional' threat either.

Are you thinking of Karen Jones/Lawson?
They held hostage and attacked a woman in a trans clothing store in Manchester - this was pre transition though, just after they'd been released from prison for killing their partner.

They had their life sentence quashed after it was decided that among various other things they'd only attempted (and been unable to physically maintain an erection to carry out) rape because of gender dysphoria - they also claimed they'd attempted the attack in order to go back to prison and transition. They were also.the first person to get a GRC in prison.

Sorry if I've got that mixed up with a similar case.

MiaMoor · 19/01/2023 14:28

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 14:24

When you start looking into it all, really looking, and going beyond the huge great big safeguarding red flags where children are concerned, you start to see the inevitable links made with anything involving queer theory - which is very much at the root of this.

See also the cartoons for kids and on posters and in books with their mastectomy scars. Drip drip drip into kids awarenesses.

Yep. There’s a very disturbing agenda, that I’m sure most trans people aren’t aware of, but as a community they are very much being used. Possibly like PIE in the 70s/80s, but on an enormous scale.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/01/2023 14:31

^sorry, should have said Karen Jones/Karen Lawson/Mark Lawson (they've used all 3 names)

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 14:31

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 14:24

When you start looking into it all, really looking, and going beyond the huge great big safeguarding red flags where children are concerned, you start to see the inevitable links made with anything involving queer theory - which is very much at the root of this.

See also the cartoons for kids and on posters and in books with their mastectomy scars. Drip drip drip into kids awarenesses.

I got my first breast screening appointment through today with a lovely booklet explaining the whole thing and then about masectomies. It brought into stark reality as I await my appointment of exactly what they are putting these poor kids/young women through.

It's just so wrong.

nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 16:01

Are you thinking of Karen Jones/Lawson?
They held hostage and attacked a woman in a trans clothing store in Manchester - this was pre transition though, just after they'd been released from prison for killing their partner.

NewBootsAndRanty thanks that's the one.

Those who think we're all a bit pearl clutchy/tin foil hat might like to consider this case of a male with a conviction for killing a woman, who had their life sentence reduced because they were physically incapable of rape in their next attack. And then was awarded a GRC whilst in prison for violent sexual attacks on women.

Be kind/just want to pee/most vulnerable/this never happens my fat arse.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/01/2023 16:10

It was a male partner they killed - not that it makes any of it any better.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/01/2023 16:11

nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 16:01

Are you thinking of Karen Jones/Lawson?
They held hostage and attacked a woman in a trans clothing store in Manchester - this was pre transition though, just after they'd been released from prison for killing their partner.

NewBootsAndRanty thanks that's the one.

Those who think we're all a bit pearl clutchy/tin foil hat might like to consider this case of a male with a conviction for killing a woman, who had their life sentence reduced because they were physically incapable of rape in their next attack. And then was awarded a GRC whilst in prison for violent sexual attacks on women.

Be kind/just want to pee/most vulnerable/this never happens my fat arse.

They were also invited to speak at the house of lords about trans equality, and delivered equality/diversity talks for the ambulance service, amongst other groups

nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 16:12

Sorry yes you're right, killed a man, attempted to rape a woman.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/01/2023 16:12

I think the GRC was pre sentence quashing, I could be wrong though.

IneedanewTV · 19/01/2023 18:23

porridgecake · 19/01/2023 11:16

I started to post earlier but internet disappeared.
I am glad to see that there are people on this thread who were previously unaware of exactly what has been going on.
It really makes it clear why MN was under so much pressure to corral all discussion onto the specially created "FWR Sex and Gender Discussions" section.
I hope many more people will visit that section now.

100% this. Also credit to MN for allowing these discussions to continue. Those of us that have been on these threads before know that MN has been under incredible pressure by various parties to stop these healthy debates on here. This is the only place for a lot of people that they can discuss this.

IneedanewTV · 19/01/2023 18:27

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 14:24

When you start looking into it all, really looking, and going beyond the huge great big safeguarding red flags where children are concerned, you start to see the inevitable links made with anything involving queer theory - which is very much at the root of this.

See also the cartoons for kids and on posters and in books with their mastectomy scars. Drip drip drip into kids awarenesses.

And the language of “top surgery” and “bottom surgery” makes it all sound so nice and just normal operations and procedures. Easy to scan over when reading about various issues and not really understand what they mean in reality.

Ihatedonuts · 19/01/2023 23:05

Hi all I'm posting again wow this has has had of replies. Im glad it's still up as it's opened my eyes to want the surgery is, I can't believe how invasive it is. Also not reversible. I saw something about scotland reducing this to 16,. How can you consent to surgery but not be allowed to drink? Am I missing something!

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