Complications from trans surgery!

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I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

The high court case about waiting times features 2 adults and 2 children. The children want puberty blockers. Which means they are how old - 10 or younger.
This is such a horrific idea, young children wanting treatment they can not comprehend the consequences of.

How can anyone, let than know a child, give informed consent to an experimental medical pathway? There's very little evidence to the long term medical effects of using wrong sex hormones but what there is makes pretty grim reading. The success rate of surgeries appears very low (and I'm still not sure how they are defining 'success') as a surgeon cannot help a patient change sex.

Ritchie Herron was in his 20s, I believe, when he was encouraged by the gender clinic to have radical surgeries. He realises now he is gay but he no longer has functioning sex organs and lives with the heavy medical burden.

All in the name of an ideology.

But you don't get told all the risks. I had a keyhole procedure done on the nhs. No worries they said, in and out in a day. Quickly mentioned that there was always a chance of death in any operation but not much else. I had no reason to worry.

15 days later after actually dying, being resuscitated, having a second op to remove large parts of my bowel (they'd cut through it with a laser the day before and not noticed), spending time in both icu and hdu contracting MRSA and pneumonia I finally went home.

never trust the professionals about an operation.. Always do your homework first is my motto now. If I had have done I would have discovered the problem i had was a known common complication of the op I had. And i wouldn't have had it.

These people are not being properly informed about the actual outcomes of their lessons.

It suits the agenda of someone to encourage youngsters like Ritchie to transition.

Who? And why?

The medical profession are complicit, particularly in the US where there is money to be made from it. But it's not just them driving it.

What's going on?

It hasn't been to date. Did you read the latest consultation? Absolute failure to define what they were talking about.
Failure to grasp that changing gender has been viewed as gay conversion therapy.

Yes. And temperature has some.influence over sex of reptiles. Not gender. Reptiles don't have a gender.

I'm surprised anyone is confident that the law on this issue would be clear given that our politicians treat questions about the definition of a woman as unreasonable and unhelpful.

There is currently no agreed definition of what it means to be trans and no one seems to be able to explain what gender identity is. We're not dealing with failures to discuss these definitions, we're dealing with refusal. If the people trying to implement a ban on conversion therapy actually had workable definitions they would share them but they hand wave away any request for clarification or claim it's some kind of transphobic dog whistle.

No one thinks conversion therapy is OK but we do need a clear explanation and some examples of what it looks like for anyone with a trans identity. It would be stupid to trust anyone campaigning for this ban when they don't appear to feel obliged to explain themselves.

I cannot support any legislation where the terms of reference are not clearly defined. If we hadn't accepted the GRA 2004 we wouldn't be here now.

The law will be clear on what is, and isn't, conversion therapy.

As none of the campaigning groups have been able to provide any significant evidence of gay conversion therapy occurring in the last 10 years (and most known practices are already illegal), it seems that the main focus of this bill is to at the very minimum create a chilling effect on exploratory therapy for people distressed about their sex or identity.

We have already seen therapists reported to their registering bodies by people trying to catch them out and accuse them of ‘conversion therapy’ by simply keeping an open mind and encouraging the patient to keep an open mind about the best outcome when they are in distress.

It is not uncommon for young people, especially people with autism to research possible causes of distress and come to a fixed conclusion that it is an identity issue when there could be many causes.

Making legislation contained concepts and words that are still undefined is very risky.

how come grown men can now claim to be women without making any changes or having any dysphoria, keeping their ability to reproduce and healthy adult body, yet children are pushed to take drugs and have surgery if they say they are trans... very strange double standard.

This, 100%. I would really like just one of the big pro-child-transition organisations to explain this. Why encourage kids have to make permanent, painful changes to their bodies which leave them in much poorer physical health and no better in emotional health- whereas older adults are under no such pressure to change themselves at all?

It’s almost as if vulnerable children and young adults (who are statistically more likely to be female, autistic or just lesbian), are encouraged to make these devastating permanent changes for the benefit of adult politics or validation..

But that’s too horrible for a lot of people to handle it seems, so they’d rather think it’s just angry nasty women being horrible TERFs that is the problem instead.

'What is a woman?'

A question asked repeatedly to politicians who are in charge of writing laws but fails to actually get an answer which is satisfactory either legally or culturally.

“It is not uncommon for young people, especially people with autism to research possible causes of distress and come to a fixed conclusion that it is an identity issue when there could be many causes.”

Exactly.
I am autistic. From an early age (5?6?) I would have preferred to be a boy. I didn’t conform to gender stereotypes, which weren’t as rigid in the 80s, and even had a boy’s name picked out.
I didn’t fit in throughout school, and didn’t feel comfortable with myself until my early to mid twenties.
At any point through my child hood had someone suggested I might actually have been a boy it would have been a great revelation, a eureka moment for me, when all along the issue wasn’t ever that I was a boy, but that I was autistic and didn’t stick to stereotypes.

Transitioning, especially when involving girls and young women, is an extreme way to escape rigid gender stereotypes. What very few people are asking (or are allowed to ask) is why they want to escape.

The above is fairly typical for autistic girls. I’ve yet to meet an autistic woman who didn’t struggle as a teen with their changing body, the way teen boys and men change around you.

I cannot fathom why the National Autistic Society supports transitioning, unless they feel sterilising autistic girls is a good thing?

I’ve just looked at the “detrans” subreddit and it’s really heartbreaking.

On the subject of puberty blockers, which til recently were breezily touted by all and sundry as fully reversible, the Karolinska Hospital in Sweden - a world leader for gender healthcare - has stopped using them due to no convincing evidence of their benefits, and some alarming cases of very detrimental effects on young people's bone density.
segm.org/Sweden_ends_use_of_Dutch_protocol

This has been a live experiment on gay and autistic kids.

Sorry if this has been said already as I was looking for this on FWR not here.

I have no doubt there are many issues in undergoing such extreme body modifications.

But the DM arctile is based on research from a clinic in Canada the purpose of which seems to be if only you had come to us first you wouldn't be having these problems, and once you sign up with us, with can continue to make adjustments.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/nau.25132

Rather than what is a woman? The question needs to be what is gender and why it has to be legislated? What is trans?

if sex is not binary why would a GRC made you a man or a woman? Given into the binary. How can a nonbinary category exist if there is not a binary?

What are trans transitioning from? From presenting as a man or woman ( based on stereotypes) to the other sex? No one can change sex.

You are your body. You can subject your body to all kinds of procedures but that doesn’t provide you with a new body.

Why would the tax payer have to pay for medical treatments if there is no medical requirement? and even with one is it a life saving or a life shortening?

The poor results of interventions made the original Johns Hopkins closed his surgery programs because no improvements to life quality.

The whole thing is full of nonsensical premises. It is very dangerous to believe a lie and make it law.

A really good proportion of this would be solved if we stopped conflating sex and gender. It wouldn't be difficult.

And why is it that for any other mental condition, the treatment is for the mind. Yet here the “treatment” is to alter the body to appease the mind?

That would be akin to liposuction and a gastric bypass for anorexics.

That subreddit has doubled in size in less than a year and yes it's really heartbreaking. I keep wondering how many more children have to be sacrificed at the alter of this ideology before politicians, doctors, teachers etc say enough is enough.

To be very honest @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision I hadn't looked into that but i shall do out of interest. Thank you for the pointer.

Sounding dangerously transphobic there, tea - the gender affirmation model is the one that trans rights activists hold up as being the gold standard for mental health care for youth stating they are trans.

See the work of Dr Johanna Olson-Kennedy of the Centre for Transgender Health in Los Angeles, as endorsed and promoted by Mermaids and other organisations.

I am simply for making sure kids, and everyone, makes the right choice for them. If someone is trans, I would support them. But even more, I don't want people to make the wrong decision for their life. So I don't support affirmation at any cost. I want there to be adequate, quality counselling for anyone struggling, to explore if it's the right decision or not. As I said earlier, I'm doing a masters around informed consent because it's seriously lacking in all healthcare in my opinion. So ensuring people truly understand the good and the bad is very important to me.

Absolutely. I'm sure puberty is pretty horrific for any girl, but the onset of periods in particular really significantly negatively affected me. Small things like the physical sensation of wearing a pad or a bra made my body literally recoil and I stewed in self-hatred. I had severe PMDD (I know now that it's very common for neurodiverse women to be overly sensitive to hormonal changes as well as the obvious sensory issues I now recognise)

I didn't know I was autistic at the time but I knew I was different. "Gender dysphoria" was the explanation I was given.

Transitioning, especially when involving girls and young women, is an extreme way to escape rigid gender stereotypes. What very few people are asking (or are allowed to ask) is why they want to escape

But they're not escaping rigid gender stereotypes, they are simply adhering to those of the opposite sex. Thus enforcing the rigid man and woman boxes because they need these to make their identity 'real'
Without the stereotypes it's all utterly meaningless as a man cannot ever know what it feels like to be a woman and vice versa.

@JusteanBiscuits I agree, informed consent is very important. I think what you're doing is potentially very important. I wish you all the best with it.