Met Police officer revealed as one of Britain’s worst rapists - Telegraph

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Comprehensive article in The Telegraph.

The Met is reviewing 1,633 cases involving 1,071 officers and staff who have been previously accused of domestic violence or sexual abuse. (From the archived times piece).

Fuck me! Seriously over 1000 people, and obviously rather a lot committing more than one offense?. How is any parent ever going to be able to say to their children, especially their girls "if your in trouble and need help you can always trust a policeman".

Not bloody likely.

And yet I was told I could not report my stalker/harrasser because I had NOT been in a relationship with him?

JFC.

The Met is reviewing 1,633 cases involving 1,071 officers and staff

With more than 43,000 officers and staff, the Met is the UK's largest police service and has 25% of the total police budget for England and Wales

www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/structure/

so what's that - 2.5% of them?

"The jury heard that after making one complaint to Sussex Police about Lane, Miss Grice was issued with a fixed penalty notice for wasting police time because she did not disclose she had been in a relationship with him."

I wonder if these fixed penalty notices could be issued to people who waste police time with reports of nasty tweets, stickers and words said in public, or people who lie about finding razor blades under stickers? Or does it depend on whether the complainant is female?

Felix125 I think you should be ashamed of yourself for hi-jacking this thread. The fact that you obviously don't care about that says a lot.

Felix125 is a serving police officer? Blimey. 😦

My last word on the subject. Promise. 🤐

This.

Centre for Women's Justice statement plus list of documents:

https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/news/2023/1/17/cwj-statement-on-angiolini-inquiry-and-former-home-secretary-u-turn

One of the documents is from Nov 2021. On p8 of the pdf (p2 of the annex) begins a list of other cases. Carrick was one of those cases:

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Yes. When TRAs hijack the issue of police violence against women it is disgusting appropriation with no basis in reality. If police take misgendering so seriously I'm confident a transwoman is no less safe in their hands* than any other male is.

*Presumably being white and hetero counts a long way

I live in Lambeth, nobody around here says that to their kids. You teach your kids to steer well clear of them. And we are a white, middle class family.

interesting and petrifying all at the same time…

My overriding feeling about this case is that the police should never be investigated by other Police. The 1600 (I think?) complaints were only about the Met iirc. I must be time to change recruitment policies, vetting policies, the whole nine yards.

Sometimes I wonder what it will take before women start taking matters into their own hands.
Maybe the powers that be will finally take violence against women and rape seriously when the bodies (of rapists and murderers of women and children) start piling up in the street.

No I'm not joking.

The "authorities" are against vigilantism only because it undermines their own power I think.

But we can't trust them to use that power responsibly, so what do we do?

Anyone remember the case of Gordon Anglesea paddyfrench1.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/the-fall-of-gordon-anglesea/

For 25 years he dodged prosecution because the police helped to cover up his crimes . Even his trial was a circus

knittingaddict
Felix125 I think you should be ashamed of yourself for hi-jacking this thread. The fact that you obviously don't care about that says a lot.

How have I hijacked the thread exactly......?

Brefugee
When there are multiple reports against an individual - look at them. Investigate them. Question everything including WHO is doing the reporting, HOW MANY reports there are. Are you turning up nothing but the individual has more reports against them?? WHY MIGHT THAT BE.

But at about the 3rd time a young woman comes into my station (were i a police officer) to report a stalker, i would start to wonder if there was maybe something in it. 4th time? 5th time. Sure I'd make sure she was punished for that so he is free to kill her.

So the cases against Carrick - If the same victim has made a number of complaints which, after investigation, doesn't end in a prosecution and turns up nothing - by your first quoted paragraph the police should ask if these reports are malicious and start to take them with a pinch of salt - join the dots as you say

But yet your second paragraph seems to suggest that after the 4th & 5th report positive action should be taken due to the number of times the same person is reporting it.

You can't have it both ways

Each report needs to be investigated and investigated proper;y & fully

By this way perhaps Carrick could have been stopped a long time ago

For people who are saying that I am a sympathiser or an apologist for Carrick - i am certainly not

i don't want people like him (or anyone close) in the police force. And I will (and have) flagged up officers who are breaking rules or have unhealthy attitudes towards people

pack it in, @Felix125 we get it. You don't care and you have no imagination and you can't understand simple concepts.

This in Marina Hyde's column today

Forgive my wishful thinking, but you would think an elite police officer would have something called “a file”, which, when he was accused of an offence as serious as rape, would be “looked at”. In this basic scenario, his superiors would note that the officer in question had been the subject of nine previous serious complaints, eight of them involving women, stretching back almost two decades. They would then think “Hang on a minute …” But that is not what happened.

It's not just us aghast at poor practice or poor grasp of simple concepts.
She also points out that Carrick was

And yet, did they? That very same month – the same month – an allegation of rape was made against David Carrick. This allegation led to Carrick’s arrest. But that arrest, for alleged rape – alleged rape – did not even lead to Carrick’s suspension. It led only to his being put on restricted duties.

So again. Even while the entire nation were being gobsmacked that there was a bad apple in the Met (more like gobsmacked that he had been arrested) jet another rapey officer was "looked at" and "meh, go back to work, nothing to see here"

For people who are saying that I am a sympathiser or an apologist for Carrick - i am certainly not

yes, you are. You are FULL of excuses as to why the police are completely unable to do any basic investigation.

Good piece from Marina Hyde.

I do have very serious concerned about Cressida Dick, under her “leadership” things seem to have not improved one iota, despite a huge amount of publicity about what was going on. Was she incredibly stupid or was there another reason?

But yet your second paragraph seems to suggest that after the 4th & 5th report positive action should be taken due to the number of times the same person is reporting it.

you really can't be a police officer if you can't understand the two sides of the same coin.

Again for the hard of thinking:

1. where there are multiple unfounded (found to be so after... gasp!... investigation) the multiple complainent must be investigated and prosecuted
2. where there are multiple complaints of rape/violence/other against one person from either one person or multiple persons (particularly after multiple persons) after investigation (hahaha we won't hold our breath if it's a serving officer) they must be prosecuted

it really isn't rocket science. And this is why i know you are a "wannabe" who will never be in the police. Because nobody in the police could be this dense.

Brefugee

No - How have I excused it

I am saying that each report should have been fully investigated - not ignored and swept under the carpet

How is that being ".....FULL of excuses as to why the police are completely unable to do any basic investigation."

Was she incredibly stupid or was there another reason?

my belief? she was promoted beyond her competence (vastly beyond her competence) and for (possibly reasons of not wanting to be seen to investigate a gay woman officer?) and inertia and the usual not wanting to uncover the vastness of their own incompetence led to her never being properly investigated or disciplined.

we can read @Felix125 you are full of "but you said this but that" and you have simply refused to admit that you are all a shower who protect their own and don't give a flying fuck about women.

It's fine. I don't believe you are a police officer because nobody in the job could be that dense.

Brefugee

where there are multiple unfounded (found to be so after... gasp!... investigation) the multiple complainent must be investigated and prosecuted

And if its one word against another - you will never be able to prove its unfounded.

So what would you do then........

Brefugee
we can read @Felix125 you are full of "but you said this but that" and you have simply refused to admit that you are all a shower who protect their own and don't give a flying fuck about women.

And how i am protecting him....?

I am saying that he should have been investigated properly when the first report came in. Not ignored and not swept under the carpet. And each report should have been investigated properly. Not assume anything just because its the same person making a complaint and the last 5 reports didn't go anywhere

Or properly vetted before he even started and prevented from joining in the first place

I have not, will not and do not protect any officer who know is corrupt or a criminal or has misogynist views or similar discriminatory views

You're doing a great job of confirming that the police will always protect their own, Felix. I'm sure your colleagues will be grateful for the fight you've put up here.

And if its one word against another - you will never be able to prove its unfounded.
So what would you do then........

bloody hell it's like pulling teeth. You. Investigate.
And then, as Marina Hyde and several of us here, you put it on a file. And if another complaint comes in you check the file. Rocket science or brain surgery it ain't.